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prokuraturaSi orive saqme guriidan Sevida
(guria niusi, ozurgeTi) _ 21 maiss, euTos demokratiuli institutebisa da adamianis uflebebis ofisma, arCevnebis sadamkvirveblo misiam saqarTveloSi, meore Sualeduri angariSi gamoaqveyna.
euTos sadamkvirveblo misia ityobineba im darRvevebis Sesaxeb, romelic opoziciuri partiebis, arasamTavrobo organizaciebis da mediasaSualebebisgan miiRo. darRvevebi Seexeboda kandidaturebis moxsnis moTxovniT kandidatebze zewolas, aseve iyo samsaxuridan gaTavisuflebis. saxelmwifo Tanamdebobis pirebis mier ukanono saarCevno kampaniis warmoebasa da administraciuli resursebisadmi araTanabar xelmisawvdomobas, mmarTveli partiis sasargeblod.
mere Sualedur angariSis VI TavSi – ~saCivrebi da gancxadebebi~ naTqvamia, rom miuxedavad mravalricxovani zepiri braldebebisa, dRemde SedarebiT naklebi oficialuri saCivari Sevida saarCevno komisiebsa da sasamarTloebSi. rogorc mosarCeleTa, ise komisiebis umravlesoba naklebad erkveva im debulebebSi, romlebic sxvadasxva sasamarTlo kompetencias da Casatarebel procedurebs gansazRvraven. #61 saolqo saarCevno komisiaSi (lanCxuTi) Sevida leiboristuli partiis gancxadeba ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~ registraciis Taobaze, maSin rodesac aseTi gancxadeba unda Sevides da ganxilul iqnes centraluri saarCevno komisiis mier. aRniSnul saarCevno komisiis mdivanma, OSCE/ODIHR-is saarCevno sadamkvirveblo misiis grZelvadian damkvirveblebTan saubrisas aRniSna, rom saolqo saarCevno komisiis movaleobaSi ar Sedis, auxsnas mosarCeles, rom am SemTxvevaSi cesko aris konpetenturi organo. arada, saqarTvelos zogadi administraciuli kodeqsis Tanaxmad, ~Tu gancxadebiT moTxovnili administraciuli aqtis gamocema miekuTvneba sxva administraciuli organos uflebamosilebas, administraciuli organo valdebulia, araugvianes 5 dRisa, gadaugzavnos gancxadeba da masze darTuli sabuTebi uflebamosil administraciul organos~.
angariSSi aseve naTqvamia, rom, arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT prokuraturaSi ori saqme Sevida, romelTagan erTi saCivari generaluri prokuroris saxelze Seitana koaliciam ~samoqalaqo ganviTarebisTvis~ _ igi exeboda Coxatauris #saubno saarCevno komisiis im krebis oqmis gayalbebas, romelzec saubno saarCevno komisiis Tavmjdomare airCies. meore saCivari ozurgeTis prokuraturaSi Seitana blokma ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis.~ saCivris Tanaxmad, konstituciuri usafrTxoebis departamentis lanCxuTis raionuli ganyofilebis ufrosma zewola ganaxorciela maT kandidatebze, raTa am ukanasknels sakuTari kandidatura moexsna nigvzianis erTmandatian saarCevno olqSi.~mxolod maSin SevcvliT, roca adamianebs ise ar SevxedavT, rogorc saarCevno iuletenebs~
17 maisi, ozurgeTi, ~saqarTvelos demokratiuli ganviTarebis kavSiris~ sxdomaTa darbazi.
mowveuli iyo TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi monawile Svidive saarCevno bloki. aqedan, darbazSi mxolod ~TofaZe-mrewvelebis~ skami aRmoCnda carieli. saolqo komisiaSi gviTxres, rom ~TofaZe-mrewvelTa~ partiuli siis pirveli nomeri jerjerobiT TvaliTac ar unaxavT. ojaxis telefonze mis meuRles velaparakeT, romelmac gviTxra, rom gadascemda Cvens Txovnas. debatze TavianTi saarCevno blokebi warmoadgines: Temur saluqvaZem _ ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~; aleko mameiSvilma _ ~erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~; lela nacvalaZem _ erovnuli sabWo~; rusudan maxaraZem _ ~giorgi TargamaZe, inga grigolia~; guram iobiSvilma _ ~TorTlaZe-demokratiuli partia~; daviT rusieSvilma _ ~sruliad saqarTvelos saxalxo aliansi~.
debatSi aseve CaerTnen eqsperti CexeTidan, saerTaSoriso asociacia ~kivitas georgikas~ konsultanti TviTmmarTvelobis sakiTxebSi aleqsandre kalandaZe, ~samarTliani arCevnebis~, ~saqarTvelos axalgazrda iuristTa asociaciis~, ~guriis axalgazrduli resurscentris~ warmomadgenlebi, euTos grZelvadiani damkvirveblebi da proeqtSi monawile saqarTvelos demokratiuli ganviTarebis kavSiris Tavmjdomare levan xinTibiZe. debatiT dainteresdnen adgilobrivi mediasaSualebebi.
debatebi mihyavda ~guria niusis~ Jurnalists Sorena Rlonts. mowveulma stumrebma ~gamocda~ gaiares da SeTavazxebuli testi Seavses, romliTac mogvecema SesaZlebloba, ganvsazRvroT, ician Tu ara maT kargad, TviTmmarTvelobis ana-bana.Tema pirveli: 2005 wlidan saqarTveloSi adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis reforma daiwyo. TviTmmarTvelobis done, soflebidan municipalitetis doneze avida. reformatorebi irwmunebodnen, rom amgvari mowyoba TviTmmarTvelobis decentralizacias, mis uflebriv da finansur damoukideblobas Seuwyobda xels. Tqven rogor fiqrobT, reforma Sedga da TviTmmarTveloba centrisgan uflebrivad da finansurad damoukidebelia?
Temur saluqvaZe: _ me vfiqrob, rom reforma ar Sedga. is modeli, rac xelisuflebam SesTavaza sakuTar xalxs, ar muSaobs da arc SeiZleba imuSaos imitom, rom erTaderTi warmomadgenlobiTi organoa raionul doneze, romelic aRWurvilia susti berketebiT. pirveli TviTmmarTvelobis organo (me misi xelmZRvaneli viyavi) gacilebiT Zlieri iyo soflis, qalaqis aRmasrulebeli organoebiT, raionuli sakrebuloTi. vfiqrob, rom es aris mizanmimarTulad gakeTebuli. Tu ~aliansi saqarTvelosaTvis~ mova xelisuflebaSi, vpirdebiT mosaxleobas, rom SevqmniT Zalian Zlier TviTmmmarTvelobis organos.
aleko mameSvili: _ mimaCnia, rom kanoni adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis Sesaxeb Camoyalibebulia sworad, mTavaria, rogor sruldeba esa Tu is kanoni. sakrebulos wevroba iqneba garanti TviTmmarTvelobis Sesaxeb kanonis sworad warmarTvisTvis, es Cems saarCevno programaSi devs. Cemi azriT, TviTon kanons gansazRvraven adamianebi, pirovnebebi. Tu darRvevebi iyo, es unda iqnes gamosworebuli kvalificiuri pirovnebebis mier.
lela nacvalaZe: _ Tqven iciT, rom me var 2006 wlis mowvevis sakrebulos wevri. es iyo namdvilad araswori mimarTuleba, romelic ~awyobda~ xelisuflebas. am mimarTebiT ver daveTanxmebi baton alekos. mokled, ar Sedga es reforma, anda Sedga mosaxleobis sazianod.
rusudan maxaraZe: _ mimaCnia, rom ar Sedga es reforma da albaT ase iyo Tavidanve gaTvlili.
guram iobiSvili: _ mmarTvelobis sistemis decentralizacia ar gaxorcielebula qveyanaSi, amaze ori azri ar arsebobs; samwuxarod, dagegmva isev dargobrivi saministroebidan xdeba.
daviT rusieSvili: _ mimaCnia, rom wina arCevnebis bolo mowvevis sakrebulos aqvs garkveuli xarvezebi. rac Sexeba organul kanons, ra Tqma unda, dasaxvewia, veTanxmebi baton gurams, rom decentralizacia aucilebelia.
aleko mameSvili: _ vimeoreb, kanonSi yvelaferi aris gawerili. mTavaria, rogor sruldeba. kargi iqneba Tu qalbatoni lelasgan gavigebT, ra sakiTxebi iyo mis mier dasmuli, ra ar sruldeboda da vi ar asrulebda.
lela nacvalaZe: _ pirvel rigSi, visgan ar sruldeboda da xelisuflebisgan.
aleko mameSvili: _ Tqven ras akeTebdiT amisTvis?
lela nacvalaZe: _ imas vakeTebdi, rac erTma opozicionerma unda gaakeTos umravlesobis winaSe. moviSvelieb Tqveni prezidentis sityvebs: ZaRli yefs da qaravani midis! ai, amas vakeTebdi, Cems naTqvams azri ar hqonda, yvela iniciativa ignorirebul iqna im umravlesobis mier, romelsac am wuTSi Tqven warmoadgenT, batono aleko. Zalian vwuxvar, rom asea, magram es Tqveni gadawyvetilebaa.
Temur saluqvaZe: _ ar veTanxmebi, baton alekos _ kanoni ise unda iyos Camoyalibebuli, rom masze adamianTa cvlam zegavlena ver moaxdinos. esaa saxelmwifo struqturisa da saxelmwifo mowyobis.
roca jer kidev moqmed, nacionalebis umravlesobiT dakompleqtebul sakrebuloze vsaubrobT, sainteresoa struqturam ver imuSava Tu mmarTveli partiis neba ar yofila, emuSava am struqturas?
daviT rusieSvili: _ rac ufro mravalpartiuli iqneba sakrebulo, miT ukeTesia regionisTvisac da saqmisTvisac. rac Seexeba kanons, ra Tqma unda, pirovnebebis roli mniSvnelovania mis aRsrulebaSi, magram aqsiomaa, rom kanoni iyos martivad Sesrulebadi, anu iseTi, romelic moergeba xalxs da regions.
guram iobiSvili: _ centraluri xelisuflebis TqmiT, adgilobrivi sakrebuloebi kanoniT miniWebul uflebamosilebebs imitom ver asrulebs, rom adamianuri da finansuri resursebi ar gaaCniaT, rasac ver daveTanxmebi.
rusudan maxaraZe: _ aq Sekrebilma adamianebma aRniSnes, rom TviTmmarTvelobis es reforma iyo araefeqturi. nacionalebis warmomadgenels vekiTxebi, ratom ver Seasrules danapirebi, erTi Tavmosawonebeli saqme mainc dagvisaxelos ~da sxvas~ gareSe.Tema meore: ra meTodebiT Seecdeba Tqveni politikuri partia sakrebuloSi yofnis SemTxvevaSi moqalaqeebis CarTvas marTvis procesSi?
Temur saluqvaZe: _ sakrebulos winaSe angariSvaldebuli aris aRmasrulebeli xelisufleba, rac praqtikulad ar xorcieldeba. Cven garkveuli asocireba unda gavakeToT, rogorc qalaqad, ise soflad. qalaqis TiToeuli ubnis, municipalitetis TiToeuli soflis warmomadgenlebs, romlebic kargad icnoben TavianT ubansa da sofels, eqnebaT prioritetebis mixedviT dalagebuli programebi. aseve, mniSvnelovania Tanxebis xarjvis gamWvirvaloba. Tu Cven movediT sakrebuloSi, es xalxi, komisiebis meSveobiT, CarTuli iqneba absoluturad yvela procesSi, qalaqis Tu soflis problemebis mogvarebaSi.
aleko mameSvili: _ es aris sakiTxi, romelzec piradad me da Cemi organizacia _ guriis agrobiznescentri araerTi weliwadia vmuSaobT sxvadasxva donori organizaciebis daxmarebiT, es Temebi ramdenime welia Cveni aqtiuri samoqmedo gegmaa. aris ramdenime principi, romlis Sedegebi dReisTvis ukve gvaqvs ramdenime sofelSi. es aris eqspertTa Tu samuSao jgufebis Seqmna, romelTa wevrebi arian soflis pedagogebi, pensionerebi, axalgazrdebi, maTTan erTad gamovavlineT problemebi. am problemebis Sesaxeb movamzadeT sabiujeto winadadebebi, romlis erTi egzemplari Tan wamoviRe _ es Coxatauris variantia, romelsac samuSao jgufi male SesTavazebs aRmasrulebel xelisuflebas. meore, rasac me qalaqSi vgegmav, es aris qalaqSi arsebul 89 mravalsarTulian saxlSi amxanagobebis Seqmna. Semdegi sakiTxi ki gaxlavT aqtiuri TanamSromloba sazogadoebriv organizaciebTan.
lela nacvalaZe: _ sazogadoebasa da xelisuflebas, sazogadoebasa da sakrebulos Soris faqtiurad ar arsebobs ndoba. xalxi ar endoba am xelisuflebas. pirvel rigSi, ndobas aRvadgenT. moxaruli viqnebi, Tu mravalpartiuli iqneba municipalitetis sakrebulo. vTqvaT, marto lela nacvalaZe da misi gundi ki ara, sxva partiis warmomadgenlebic, davsxdebiT da SevimuSavebT samomavlo gegmas. Seval iniciativiT, rom erTad SevxvdeT mosaxleobas, mosaxleobidan wamovides ideebi.
guram iobiSvili: _ Cvenma partiam parlamentSi gaitana sakiTxi soflebSi saTaTbiro krebebis, soflebSi fondis Seqmnis Sesaxeb da es modeli, savaraudod, amuSavdeba arCevnebis Semdeg. meore sakiTxi sakrebuloSi da raionul doneze: gakeTebuli gvaqvs koncefcia erovnul meurneobaSi ekonomikuri procesebis marTvis da regulirebis mudmivmoqmed eqspertTa sabWos Seqmnis Sesaxeb, es koncefcia parlamentis Tavmjdomarem daawera ramdenime komitets, daegzavna centralur aRmasrulebel xelisuflebas, mowonebul iqna kidec. Sesabamisi dokumentacia Tan maqvs, romelsac saqarTvelos regionuli ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis ministris pirveli moadgile jambul bakuraZe awers xels. saerTaSoriso eqspertebis daskvnebic gagvaCnia, rom ara erTma da orma kacma, aramed eqspertTa sabWom unda gadawyvitos raionis xvalindeli dRe.
rusudan maxaraZe: _ adgilobriv xelisuflebaSi Cveni misvlis SemTxvevaSi, muSa jgufebi Seiqmneba, mosaxleoba prioritetebs TviTon dasaxavs. rac maTi moTxovna iqneba, gaviTvaliswinebT da ase ganvagrZobT muSaobas. imas gavukeTebT xalxs, rac undaT.
daviT rusieSvili: _ saTaTbiroebis Seqmna, soflis yriloba, eqspertTa jgufebi, soflis, xalxis mier prioritetebis gamoyofa, _ aseTi mimarTuleba Cvenc gvaqvs. ar veTanxmebi ase stadionebis mSeneblobas, ra Tqma unda, prioriteti iqneba soflis meurneoba.
aleko mameSvili: _ aq axla stadionebis Tema gaJRerda, qalaqSi mqonda guSin sam ubanSi Sexvedra. aRmaSeneblis quCaze axalgazrdebma pirveli rigis problemad stadioni daasaxeles, e. w. ~rkina-betonis~ binebSi da samTo qimiis quCazec ase iyo, Semoqmedelis quCazec asea. axalgazrdobas aqvT survili, icxovron jansaRi wesiT. ra Tqma unda, mTeli biujeti erT konkretul sakiTxze ar unda mivmarToT, unda movaxdinoT problemis prioritetizacia, ra kategorias, ra wres gaeweva mxardaWera, es unda iyos procesi, romelSic aucilebelia xalxis CarTuloba.
Temur saluqvaZe: _ saerTod, winaaRmdegi var sakiTxis amdagvari ganxilvis imitom, rom konteqstidan amovardnilia. stadioni kargia, magram adamians rom wyali ar aqvs, aba davekiTxoT, stadioni urCevnia? am yvelafris aseTi magaliTebis doneze dayvana araseriozul formas SeiZens. amitom, pirvel rigSi, adgilobrivma xelisuflebam, sakrebulom unda gadawyvitos sworad ra sWirdeba raions, sofels, qalaqs.
daviT rusieSvili: _ ar vicodi proeqtebis Sesaxebo. me, magaliTad sofel meriidan var, proeqtis Sedgenis dros namdvilad dadioda jgufi kiTxvarebiT, prioritetebis dasadgenad, magram imdeni wamoiWra, rom arCeva gaxda Zneli. wyali kargia, magram centraluri Tu adgilobrivi biujetidan mobilizebuli Tanxebi ar iZleva amis saSualebas, milionebs moiTxovs, verc sakrebulo gadawyvets amas.
lela nacvalaZe: _ mapatieT, magram 8 aTas larad Sefasebuli sportuli moedani da 3500 larad Sefasebuli mosacdelis mowyoba aris aucilebeli meriaSi da 4563 larad wyalgayvanilobis montaJi ara? naRobilevSi ormuli SekeTebisTvis 10 341 lari gamoiyo da axla Tqven ras meubnebiT, iq gadasarevi gzaa? Tanxa mizanmimarTulad moxmarda? me maqvs dokumenti municipalitetis mier mTel teritoriaze gawerili samuSaoebis Sesaxeb Tu ar gaqvT, SemiZlia asli mogawodoT.
rusudan maxaraZe: _ stadioni maSin aris kargi, rodesac sxva yvelaferi aqvT adamianebs. erT kuriozs getyviT: laiTurSi mravalbiniani saxlis saxuravis remonti 2002 lari dajda, narujaSi aseTive saxlis analogiur remontze ki 10 000 lari daixarja. ai, es aris ubedureba, Torem...
guram iobiSvili: _ saerTaSoriso eqspertebis azriT, upirvelesad, TiToeuli ojaxis Semosavlebis zrdis programebi unda daidos. ojaxis biujeti im xelisuflebas daaviwyda da am xelisuflebasac. yvela qveyanaSi ZiriTadia ojaxis Semosavlebis zrdis xelSemwyobi programebi. am mxriv, ozurgeTi ukanasknel adgilzea obieqturi da subieqturi mizezebis gamo. ekonomikur sakiTxebSi nomer pirvelia bunebrivi materialuri resursebis CarTva sameurneo brunvaSi, ekologiuri pirobebis gaTvaliswinebiT. guriaSi es resursi namdvilad gvaqvs.
marina sungulia: _ nacionalebis umravlesobiT xelisuflebis mosvlis SemTxvevaSi, gveqneba igive suraTi. soflis programebs rac Seexeba, Cven gamovikvlieT da vnaxeT, rom araviTari gamokiTxva ar xdeba _ TariRebs gadaxedeT da mixvdebiT am programebs xelisufleba risTvis iyenebs. damuqrebis meqanizmic muSaobs,
gela nacvalaZe, ~TorTlaZe-demokratebi~: _ SekiTxvaze pasuxebi wavida sxva gziT. ra unda imis Tqmas. Sevkribav Cems amomrCevels, vetyvi, rom raRac saintereso sakiTxi gadis gamgeobis, sakrebulos sxdomaze da wamodiT, batonebo, miiReT monawileoba CemTan erTad.
moderatorma stumrebs sTxova, mosafiqrebeli wuTis gareSe daesaxelebinaT 2009 an 2010 wels, adgilobrivi xelisuflebis mier inicirebuli TiTo aqtivoba, qmedeba an iniciativa, romliTac ozurgeTis mosaxleobas samarTlianobis gancda ganumtkicda. Semdeg ki, daesaxelebiaT sapirispiro faqti – riTac SesaZlebelia, mosaxleobas usamarTlobis gancda gasCenoda.
Temur saluqvaZe: _ aviRoT Tundac jorjiaSvilis quCaze momxdari faqti: yovelgvari axsna-ganmartebis, gegmazomierebis gareSe rom daiwyes asfaltis dageba, ramac mezoblebs Soris gamoiwvia konfliqti. amaSi me piradad brals vdeb xelisuflebas, radgan igi aq konfliqtis iniciatoris rolSi ufro mogvevlina.
lela nacvalaZe: _ 2009-2010 wlebSi aseTi ar yofila. imitom ar vambob, rom opoziciuri ganwyoba maqvs. Tu vinme damimtkicebs, rom iyo, bodiSs movixdi. usamarTlobis gancdas iwvevs is, rom arCevnebis mosagebad iyeneben saxelisuflebo resursebs, isic, rom Cemi xma ar damekargos, rogorc amomrCeveli, Tavisufali viyo Cems arCevanSi. es yvelaferi gadajaWvulia im socialur da yofiT pirobebTan, ra situaciaSic imyofeba dRes regioni da raioni.
aleko mameSvili: _ nu davxuWavT Tvals imaze, rom am wlebSi mimdinareobda gazifikaciis, gzebis dagebis, axali sakanalizacio sistemis mowyobis samuSaoebi, anu im sakiTxebisa, romelic sazogadoebas awuxebda, imazec, rasac axla miaqcia xelisuflebam yuradReba.
marina sungulia: _ aseTs, samwuxarod, verafers davasaxeleb. xolo usamarTlobis klasikur magaliTad CavTvli imas, rac agrarul bazarSi moxda. daingra da dairRva rogorc kerZo mesakuTreebis, ise iq movaWre Cveulebrivi moqalaqeebis ufleba. es iyo vandaluri aqti.
guram iobiSvili: _ me rac faqti minda vTqva, pirdapir ar aris dakavSirebuli sakanonmdeblo organosTan, magram Zalian did ukmayofilebas iwvevs xalxSi: kerZo mewarmes, romelsac, magaliTad, 8 aTasi laris saqoneli aqvs da 6500 lariT daajarimeb, xom mokali da gaanadgure amiT? mikvirs, gangeb xom ar keTdeba. ara mgonia, saxelmwifo aqedan imxela Semosavals iRebdes, rom Rirdes am xalxis dayaCaReba am gziT.
daTo rusieSvili: _ usamarTlobis yvelaze didi gancda komunalur mricxvelebs ukavSirdeba.Tema mesame: Tqveni politikuri Zala miiCnevs Tu ara, rom adgilobrivi problemebis gadasaWrelad, socialuri programebis dasafinaseblad, prioritetebi xalxis monawileobiT adgilze unda ganisazRvros da TviTmmarTvelobam centrisgan CamorTmeuli finansuri wyaroebic daibrunos?
Temur saluqvaZe: _ centraluri xelisuflebis interesebSi yovelTvis Sedioda rac SeiZleba meti Tanxebi waeRo regionebidan. gavixsenoT 1992-1993 wlebis magaliTi, urekis privatizaciasTan dakavSirebiT. Cven maSin sastiki winaaRmdegi wavediT imitom, rom ar migveRo is, rac dRes miviReT _ daba ureki yovelgvari ganaSenianebis gegmisa da infrastruqturis gareSe. saerTod, municipalitetidan centralur biujetSi wasuli Semosavlebis garkveuli nawili aucileblad unda daubrundes municipalitets, ar unda gadairicxos, an unda dabalansdes regionuli da centraluri finansebi. rodesac adgilobrivi xelisufleba veraviTar problemas ver moagvarebs, is yovelTvis damokidebuli iqneba centralur xelisuflebaze, is iqneba marTuli. amitom mimaCnia, rom arsebuli Tanxobrivi gadanawilebis mTliani sistema, rac am xelisuflebam mogvitana, mizanmimarTulad aris Sedgenili da gaxorcielebuli. samwuxarod, rac dRes saqarTveloSi xdeba, es yvelaferi aris CvenTvis gansacdeli, gansakuTrebiT mZimed aris es gamoxatuli guriis samive raionSi. ratom iciT? imitom, rom es xelisufleba adamians uyurebs mxolod rogorc saarCevno biuletens.
aleko mameSvili: _ sakrebuloSi myofi adamianebi da finansuri resursebi gansazRvraven swored efeqtur TviTmmarTvelobas. dRevandeli sakuTari Semosavlebi ganisazRvreba ZiriTadad qonebis Semosavlebidan, mosakreblebidan, romlebic TviTmmarTvelobaSi arsebobs. ra Tqma unda, ufro didi wili iyo saSemosavlo da sxva saxis gadasaxadebidan, romelic centralur biujets ekuTvnis da TviTmmarTvelobas ubrundeba gamoTanabrebiTi transferis saxiT. am sakiTxis mosagvareblad vfiqrobT, rom unda moxdes Sexvedra eqspertebTan, mesame seqtorTan, parlamentis wevrebTan. Cemi informaciiT, 2010 wels sadRac 4 milionamde aris gamoTanabrebiTi transferi, romelic TviTmmarTvelobas eZleva sakuTari uflebebis gasaxorcieleblad. amave dros unda moxdes gacvla Semosavlebisa, romelic miaqvs centralur biujets. kargi TviTmmarTvelobis SemTxvevaSi, gvWirdeba kargi adamianuri resursi, romelzec sakrebulom unda imuSaos.
lela nacvalaZe: _ ozurgeTis biujeti nulis tolfasia, Semosavlebi ar arsebobs fizikurad. kargia centralizebuli, magram sjobia adgilze gvqondes Cveni _ Cven ganvkargoT, sazogadoebam gankargos, es aucilebelia. TiToeul sofels unda hqondes Tavisi Tanxebi, im sofelSi mcxovreblebma unda gansazRvron prioritetebi da ara centralizebulad dagvirigos viRacam amiT es gavakeToT da imiT is gavakeToTo.
rusudan maxaraZe: _ adgilobrivi xelisuflebis pirobebSi, romelSic axla vimyofebiT, centralizebuli iqneba Tu aracentralizebuli, ara aqvs didi mniSvneloba, xalxs mainc ar mogvxmardeba. Tu Seicvleba xelisufleba da ufro efeqturi xalxi mova xelisuflebaSi, maSin, ra Tqma unda, municipalitets unda moxmardes sakuTari Tanxebi.
guram iobiSvili: _ rac kacobrioba gaCnda, xelisuflebis amocana iyo, rogor emarTa sazogadoeba. samwuxarod, es modeli aq gaJRerda, advilia am kuTxiT marTva, aq sami komponentia: ierarqia, kultura, bazari. es cnobili modelia. axla haeriviT saWiroa mmarTvelobis sistemis decentralizacia.
daviT rusieSvili: _ ra Tqma unda, decentralizacia, veTanxmebi da mxars vuWer am sakiTxs, magram erTi guruli anegdotis ar iyos, agi fara sadaao, ise ar mogvivides. mTavaria, adgilze Seiqmnas dovlaTi, romelic regionidan wava centrSi da iqidan dabrundeba Tanxis saxiT. Tu ase iqneba, prioritetebis realizebac gaadvildeba.
aleko mameSvili: _ Tu ar moxda gunduri muSaoba, gunduri gadawyvetilebis miReba, Zalian rTuli iqneba Sedegebis miRweva. Cemi mxridan mzad var nebismieri kargi sakiTxis mxardaWerisa da realizaciisTvis, romelic Cvens raions da qalaqs exeba. rac Seexeba finansebs, kanonSi miTiTebulia, rom TviTmmarTveloba aris damoukidebeli. roca finansebiT sxvaze xar damokidebuli, es, ra qma unda, garkveul problemebs qmnis demokratiis kuTxiT. me var sruli mxardamWeri finansebis adgilze gadanawilebisa kanonis farglebSi.
goCa gordelaZe: _ roca sakrebulo aris mowodebis simaRleze da mas SeuZlia gankargos finansebi, Tavze ar azis gamgebeli, gamgeoba da gubernatori. sakrebulo RirseulTa Soris Rirseuli xalxiT unda iyos warmodgenili, sxvanairad nebismieri Tanxebis gankargvisas iqneba isev ~atkatebi~, miwerebi da Sinauruli garigebebi.
aleqsandre kalandaZe, saerTaSoriso asociacia ~kivitas georgika~: _ rodesac moxvdebiT sakrebuloSi, rogor fiqrobT, unda akeToT is, rasac Tqven miiCnevT rom Wirdeba xalxs, Tu unda is, rac surs xalxs? Tqven sruli legitimaciiT sargeblobT, gaqvT sruli ufleba, maT magivradac miiRoT gadawyvetileba.
lela nacvalaZe: _ pirvel rigSi, sakrebulom unda sces Tavis Tavs pativi, mis mier miRebul reglaments TviTon ar unda gaukeTos ignorireba. unda gaviziaroT im adamianebis azri, romlebic sworad svamen sakiTxs. magram Tu adamiani raRacaSi cdeba, unda davarwmunoT, rom arasworia.
rusudan maxaraZe: _ rac xalxs sWirdeba, is unda gavakeToT, SekveTa xalxidan unda modiodes.
guram iobiSvili: _ sakrebulos wevrebis funqciaa, rom xalxs mousminos, magram 2000 wels lisabonSi miRebuli dokumentis mixedviT, evrokavSiris moTxovnebSi SaviT TeTrze weria: nebismieri sakiTxs, es iqneba qveynis, municipalitetis Tu xalxis, sWirdeba mecnieruli uzrunvelyofa.
daviT rusieSvili: _ Cven movdivarT im sazogadoebidan, romelic arCevis SemTxvevaSi, mogvcems am dakveTas, garkveuwilad mosvlamdec viciT es dakveTa. amitom, yvela sakiTxi unda gadavwyvitoT amomrCevelTa interesebis gaTvaliswinebiT da analizis safuqvelze.
Temur saluqvaZe: _ pirvel rigSi, xalxis ZalisxmeviT gamgeoba unda gavxadoT valdebuli ara mxolod 39 kacis, sakrebulos wevrebis winaSe, aramed mTeli aqtivis winaSe. biujetis formirebis dros yvela ubnis, yvela soflis Sexeduleba da moTxovna unda iyos gaTvaliswinebuli. xarjviTi norma unda iyos gamWvirvale.
maqsimalurad unda CavrToT mosaxleoba am procesebSi, yvela ozurgeTels unda gavuCinoT gancda imisa, rom es yvelaferi maTia. ar aris sxvisi. Tu vinme sadme raRacas iparavs, is Cven gvparavs. Tu vinme viRacas usamarTlod epyroba, is Cveni ojaxis wevrsac ase moepyroba. amitom, erTad unda SevcvaloTYozurgeTi.
levan xinTibiZe: _ mouTmenlad velodebiT arCevnebis damTavrebas. merwmuneT, vinc xelisuflebaSi, sakrebuloSi moxvalT, ar dagaviwyebT Tqvens naambobs, aucileblad gagaxsenebT. gqondeT Cveni imedi, rom samoqalaqo sazogadoeba, gadawyvetilebis miRebisas iqneba samarTlianobis mxares. icodeT, rom es iyo winaswari moTelva da arCevnebis Semdgom mosul xelisuflebas Cven aucileblad gavuwevT monitorings, xSiri Sexvedrebi gveqneba.
euTos warmomadgeneli: _ Cemi interesi aRZra yvelaferma iman, rac aq dRes xdeboda. misasalmebelia amdeni xalxis daswreba.
bolos, kandidatebma sami ZiriTadi dapireba Camoweres da xelmoweriTac daadastures, rom Tu sakrebuloSi moxvdebian, am dapirebebs aucileblad Seasruleben. es dapirebebi samomavlod, aucileblad gaxdeba Cveni sagazeTo publikaciis Tema.
TiTqmis orsaaTiani debati dinamikurad warimarTa da civilizebul CarCoebs ar gascdenia.24 maisi, lanCxuTi, lanCxuTis centraluri biblioTeka
debatebSi monaileobis misaRebad mowveuli iyvnen politikuri partiebis saarCevno Stabebis xelmZRvanelebi da partiuli siis pirveli nomrebi. CvenTvis ucnobi mizezebis gamo, Sexvedraze ver gamocxaddnen daviT wulaZe _ ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~ (misi savarZeli Tanapartielma elguja CxaiZem daikava) da galaqtion jojua _ ~TofaZe-mrewvelebi~. ~qristian-demokratebis~ lanCxuTelTa pirveli nomris savarZeli, marina Turnavas nacvlad, lali lomaZem moirgo, radgan am dRes lanCxuTs, Turme, giorgi TargamaZe stumrobda. rac Seexeba baton merab qarCavas, man adgilze mosvliT bodiSi mogvixada, rom, obieqturi mizezebis gamo, ver SeZlebda debatze darCenas.
sadebatod darbazSi TavianTi adgilebi daikaves: zviad afxazavam _ ~erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~; maka kvirkveliam _ erovnuli sabWo, lela CaxvaZem _ ~erovnuli sabWo~ da eka aleqsaiam _ ~daicavi saqarTvelo~ .
debatebs eswrebodnen euTos grZelvadiani damkvirveblebi, proeqtis eqsperti levan xinTibiZe saqarTvelos demokratiuli ganviTarebis kavSiridan, adgilobrivi mediasaSualebebis Jurnalistebi.
debatebis monawileebma, tradiciuli sagamocdo testi Seavses.Tema pirveli: Sedga Tu ara TviTmmarTvelobis reforma da TviTmmarTveloba centrisgan uflebrivad da finansurad damoukidebelia?
zviad afxazava: _ garkveulwilad ki, magram, aris Semaferxebeli momentebi. magaliTad, qonebis gadmocema, romelic bolomde ar dasrulebula lanCxuTis municipalitetisTvis. es procesi unda gagrZeldes da dasruldes.
maka kvirkvelia: _ es reforma Tavidanve iyo gaumarTlebeli, radgan ar momxdara decentralizacia, rac am reformaSi iyo Cadebuli, ramac Zalian cudad imoqmeda sofelze. TviTmmarTveloba aRar aris, roca erTi adamianis gadasawyvetia yvelaferi.
lela CaxvaZe: _ reforma gamarTlebulia, roca TviTmmarTveloba centrze namdvilad ar aris damokidebuli, sakrebulos Tavmjdomareebic ki, Zalian bevr raRacas centrs ekiTxebian. soflebis doneze ki TiTqmis gauqmebulia TviTmmarTveloba.
eka aleqsaia: _ saerTod, ver vxedav TviTmmarTvelobas _ marTlac, erTi adamianis xelSia yvelaferi.
lali lomaZe: _ Zveli sistema axali formatSia SefuTuli da es, mgoni, miuRebelia.
zviad afxazava: _ roca laparakobT finansuri kuTxiT soflebSi TviTmmarTvelobis donis ararsebobaze, ar unda gamogvrCes, rom adre sakrebuloebi mxolod sakuTar Semosavalze arsebobas ver axerxebdnen; Zalian kargad maxsovs, rom mxolod ori sofeli _ sufsa da CoCxaTi axerxebdnen lanCxuTSi damoukideblad Tavi SeenaxaT; danarCenebi awvebodnen raionis biujets. axla, rodesac Cven gvaqvs soflis ganviTarebis axali programa, romlis Tanxebi wina welTan SedarebiT gaormagebulia, SesaZlebelia ufro did masStabebze vifiqroT. rac mTavaria, programa xorcieldeba soflis mosaxleobasTan SeTaxmebiT.
maka kvirkvelia: _ TviTmmarTvelobis reformaSi me ver vxedav xalxis mmarTvelobas, xolo im soflis programebze, romelzec ~nacionaluri moZraoba~ saubrobs, xelebs iTbobeben igive soflis rwmunebulebi.
lela CaxvaZe: _ am dReebSi gaxldiT akeTis, nigoiTis, mamaTis, acanis da lesis TemebSi; arc erTma mosaxlem ar icoda winaswar ra unda gakeTebuliyo mis sofelSi. mamaTelebi gagiJdnen, ra gveskvereboda, misasvleli gza ar gvaqvs gakeTebuli erT-erT sayane farTobTano. rac Seexeba dasaqmebebs, Zalian bevri Semxvda soflebSi, romlebic dasaqmdnen soflis programis farglebSi, magram anazRaureba dRemde ar aqvT aRebuli.
maka kvirkvelia: _ oTxi welia sakrebulos wevri var da kargad vici, soflis daxmarebis programis prioritetebi rogor irCeva da rogor gamokiTxvebs atarebT, batono zviad. realoba isaa, rom Tqven ara Tu mosaxleobis, aramed sakrebuloSi gansxvavebuli azris mqone opoziciuri deputatebis azrsac ar iTvaliswinebT. faqti saxezea _ sofelSi aranairad ar SeiZleba prioriteti iyos Sadrevani da skveri. pirdapir vityvi, taS-fandurSi gageflangaT biujetis fuli, Tqvens keTildReobas axmardiT yvelafers!
zviad afxazava: _ daviwyoT SexvedrebiT: SegiZliaT gadaxedoT presas, iq naxavT sad, romel sofelSi ra Sexvedrebi tardeboda; aqedan davaskvnaT vatarebdiT Tu ara Cven Sexvedrebs. axla rac Seexeba qalbaton makas braldebas, filebis garda, Tu davkonkretdebiT, qalaqis infrastruqturac mowesrigda, axali musikaluri skola gakeTda, axali sabavSvo baRi Sendeba. rac Seexeba imas, rom Cems keTildReobas raRac xmardeba, es aris sakmaod seriozuli braldeba, romelsac safuZveli ar gaaCnia.
maka kvirkvelia: _ me konkretulad Tqvenze ar miTqvams.
zviad afxazava: _ pirdapir Tqvi, ager aris Canaweri da naxeT.
elguja CxaiZe: _ soflis programa ar unda iyos saxelisuflebo subieqtis winasaarCevno kampania. Tu ki midis sadme samuSao procesi, yvelgan dganan saxelisuflebo kandidatebi, warmomadgenlebi.
lela CaxvaZe: _ rac Seexeba samuSaoebs, romlebic axla intensiurad keTdeba, pirdapir davarqmev saxelisuflo resursis gamoyenebas _ yvela samuSao daiwyo maisis TveSi da sruldeba am TveSi, Tan Zalian didi agitacia midis: Tu opoziciis kandidati gaimarjvebs, sofels momavalSi arafers gaukeTebeno.Tema meore: ra meTodebiT Seecdeba Tqveni politikuri partia, sakrebuloSi yofnis SemTxvevaSi, moqalaqeebis CarTvas marTvis procesSi?
elguja CxaiZe: _ nebismier adamians eqneba ufleba nebismieri sakiTxis gadawyvetaSi miiRos monawileoba. iqneba azris gaziareba, proeqtebis, dadgenilebebis, normatiuli aqtebis sajaro ganxilva.
zviad afxazava: _ vfiqrob, yvelaze mniSvnelovani faqtori isaa, rom unda daviwyoT samoqalaqo sazogadoebis gazrda da momzadeba. sajaro Sexvedrebze moqalaqeebma daafiqsiron TavianTi pozicia biujetis formirebisa da Semdgom procesebze.
maka kvirkvelia: _ mosaxleobas kanoniT ekuTvnis am procesebSi CarTva. rodesac mosaxleoba irCevs da marTavs, swored es aris TviTmmarTveloba da ara piriqiT _ rodesac gamgebeli an sakrebulos Tavmjdomare marTavs SantaJiT da daSinebiT. am oTxi wlis manZilze, sakrebulos sxdomebi ara Tu gamWvirvaled Catarda, aramed prezidentsac ar hqonda daswrebis ufleba, iseTi kanoni SeimuSaves. sakrebulo unda iyos dainteresebuli yvela sofelSi, kuTxeSi, quCaze Tavad mivides, ara iseTi afioruli gamokiTxvebiT, rogoric gawerili aqvT rwmunebulebs, aramed realuri problemebi unda iyos asaxuli.
lali lomaZe: _ veTanxmebi im azrs, rom TviTmmarTvelobaSi aucileblad unda monawileobdnen moqalaqeebi. aris sakiTxebi, romlebic mosaxleobas Zalian ainteresebs. momzadebaSic unda miiRos monawileoba mosaxleobam. rac ufro gamWvirvale iqneba procesi, ufro mogebuli darCeba sazogadoeba. arada, gamWvirvale lanCxuTSi, mgoni, mxolod minebia.
lela CaxvaZe: _ Cveni xelisuflebis warmomadgenels pirvel nawilSi veTanxmebi, rom samoqalaqo sazogadoeba gasazrdelia, magram, rogor gaizrdeba, batono zviad, roca yvelanair gansxvavebul azrs sastikad axSobT ara marto Tqveni ZalebiT, Zalovani struqturebis CareviTac?!
levan xinTibiZem politikosebs Seaxsena, rom roca biujetSi xdeba ukanono cvlilebebi an gadaadgilebebi, amas polemika ki ara, sasamarTlo procedurebi sWirdeba. Tumca, lela CaxvaZe Tvlis, rom saqarTveloSi sasamarTlo sistema ar arsebobs.
moderatoris Txovnaze, stumrebs mosafiqrebeli wuTis gareSe daesaxelebinaT 2009 an 2010 wels, adgilobrivi xelisuflebis mier inicirebuli TiTo aqtivoba, qmedeba an iniciativa, romliTac lanCxuTis mosaxleobas samarTlianobis gancda ganumtkicda. Semdeg ki, piriqiT, daesaxelebiaT sapirispiro faqti – riTac SesaZlebelia, mosaxleobas usamarTlobis gancda gasCenoda ase upasuxes:
elguja CxaiZe: _ gasuli wlis ivnisSi, Cemi Svili daiWires imis gamo, rom me mqonda gansxvavebuli azri. ori weli miusajes, ~marixuana~ Cautenes jibeSi. xuTi Tvis Semdeg, didi wvalebis fasad gamouSves, TiTqmis saqarTvelos moqalaqeoba aukrZales _ orwliani pirobiTi sasjeli aqvs, xuTi wliT marTvis ufleba CamoarTves... romel samarTlianobis ganmtkicebaze melaparakebiT?!
zviad afxazava: _ presidanac SeiZleba amis gadamowmeba, rom Cven adamianebs miveciT gadawyvetilebis miRebis ufleba da saSualeba, Tu ra gaekeTebina maTTvis gamoyofili TanxiT TavianT soflebSi. am wuTSi ver vixseneb, vinmesTvis cudi gagvekeTebinos.
maka kvirkvelia: _ dadebiTi im mimarTulebiT, rom mosaxleobas ufro meti gancda hqonoda samarTlianobisa, am sakrebulos, namdvilad araferi gaukeTebia. Mme sakrebuloSi umciresobas warmovadgendi da samwuxarod, es ver SevZeli. politikur niSniT asaqmeben adamianebs; lanCxuTis mosaxleobis uamravi gancxadeba dResac devs ganuxilveli.
lela CaxvaZe: _ sakrebulos mxridan, dadebiT iniciativas namdvilad ver vixseneb. me TviTon gaxlavarT am usamarTlobis msxverpli, amis Sesaxeb presaSic gamikeTebia gancxadeba. axal faqtzec minda giTxraT: sami dRis win, Cemi partiis aqtiur wevrs, daxvda levan ebraliZe da sila gaawna. aTi metris iqiT, kidev meore adamianma gaawna sila (misi vinaoba ar viciT) _ provokaciaze undodaT wamoegoT, magram ar wamoego. mivida policiaSi, magram zemoT ar auSves da arc werili gaatarebines kancelariaSi.
eka aleqsaia: _ es gaxmaurebuli faqtia, yvelaze da sasacilod mimaCnia: Cemi liderebis stumrobisas, Tamada lamis sufridan amarTves _ amaze meti samarcxvino faqti ra unda iyos 21-e saukuneSi?! es iyo adgilobrivi xelisuflebis gadawyvetileba, aba, merabiSvilma sul ar icoda iuri manTiZe rom ijda im sufrasTan!
lali lomaZe: _ pirvel rigSi, lanCxuTis municipalitetis aRmasrulebeli da warmomadgenlobiTi organo es aris klanuri mmarTveloba, araerTxel damiweria da gamiSuqebia es.
elguja CxaiZe: _ unda davibrunoT finansuri wyaroebi, adgilidan ufro Cans, vis ra unda da vis ra uWirs, adgilobriv biujetSi unda gamoinaxos imis saxsrebi, ZiriTadad es Tanxebi janmrTelobis dacvaze da socialur daxmarebebze unda ixarjebodes.
zviad afxazava: _ biujets rac Seexeba, SarSan sakmaod didi biujeti iyo _ 10 milionamde, rac jer ar yofila. socialur programebs rac Seexeba, me weRan specialurad ar vTqvi, mindoda sxvas gaexsenebina, rodesac dadebiTze iyo saubari, sakrebulos da gamgeobis mier Sesrulebul proeqtze. ratomRac aravis gaaxsenda 2008 wlidan dRemde, sul sxva, gansxvavebuli socialuri paketi daido, rasac hqvia mravalSviliani ojaxebis daxmarebis paketi, mSobiareebis Tanadafinanseba, axalSeZenili bavSvze Tanxis gacema, usaxlkaroebis daxmareba. es ratomRac aravis gaaxsenda, arada, es xalxs waadga.
levan xinTibiZe: _ warmomadgenlobiTi organos erT-erTi mniSvnelovani funqcia aris zedamxedveloba aRmasrulebeli rgolis muSaobaze anu gamgeobaze. Tqveni arCevis SemTxvevaSi, zedamxedvelobis ra formebs gamoiyenebT da konkretulad ra mimarTulebiT?
lela CaxvaZe: _ viciT, rom aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis makontrolebeli gaxlavT sakanondeblo organo. maqsimalurad SevecdebiT, Cveni mosvlis SemTxvevaSi es samarTlianad gavaxorcieloT.
zviad afxazava: _ martivi gza mesaxeba, oRond cvlilebis SetaniT _ inicirebas gavakeTebT da erT-erTi yvelaze kargi varianti iqneba, albaT, rom moviwvioT damoukidebeli auditi, romelic yovelTviurad gaakeTebs mimdinare finansuri saqmianobis audits da dadebs angariSs.
maka kvirkvelia: _ baton zviads CavekiTxebi, romel auditze saubrobda _ axlac rom akeTeben, ukve erTi welia bolos Sesrulebuli samuSaoebis auditoriul daskvnebs?! Tanac am auditis warmomadgeneli siaSi hyavs ~nacionalur moZraobas~?! maSin unda moviwvioT damoukidebeli eqspertebi da realuri suraTi miviRoT.
eka aleqsaia: _ sakrebuloSi ar Sevdivar, magram didi imedic arafris maqvs _ iseTi reJimiT muSaoben nacionalebi, igive meTodebiT, Zveli saxeebiTYapireben mosvlas! am xalxs ra gadaakeTebs?! sircxvilia, droze daixureT qudi da wadiT saxlSi! maqvs informacia, rom Zalian bevri fulia SeWmuli soflis programebze, Zalian mainteresebs vin agebs, amaze pasuxs?
zviad afxazava: _ romelia Zveli saxe sakrebuloSi?
maka kvirkvelia: _ erTi wuTiT, zviad, Sen namdvilad xar axali saxe, magram Sen ar xar damoukidebeli am gadawyvetilebaSi. pirovnuli misamarTiT arc is miTqvams, rac piradulad miiRe. bevri gazeTi werda Tveobis manZilze, waikiTxeT statiebi _ milionnaxevari lari fufunebaze midis!
debatis msvlelobisas lanCxuTeli kolegebis mier dasmul kiTxvebs da politikosTa pasuxebs, mogvianebiT SemogTavazebT.
bolos, kandidatebma sami ZiriTadi dapireba Camoweres da xelmoweriTac daadastures, rom Tu sakrebuloSi moxvdebian, am dapirebebs aucileblad Seasruleben. es dapirebebi samomavlod, aucileblad gaxdeba Cveni sagazeTo publikaciis Tema.
misasalmebelia, rom daZabuli politikuri fonis miuxedavad, debatis monawileebma maqsimaluri koreqtuloba gamoavlines da saubari koreqtulad warmarTes.
25 maisi, Coxatauri, ~guria niusis~ ofisi.
mowveuli iyvnen vaxtang gaCeCilaZe _ ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~, malxaz jinWaraZe _ ~TofaZe-mrewvelebi~, mamuka doliZe (ronelic, mogvinebi manana jinWaraZiT Caanacvles) _ ~erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~, daviT SaraSiZe _ ~erovnuli sabWo~ vova lomTaTiZe; biZina cincaZe _ ~giorgi TargamaZe, inga grigolia - qristian-demokratiuli gaerTianeba~, manana TavarTqilaZe _ ~moqalaqeTa politikuri gaerTianeba sruliad saqarTvelos saxalxo aliansi~,.
debatebSi, romelsac euTos grZelvadiani sadamkvirveblo misiis warmomadgenlebi, ~guria niusis~ aqtiuri mkiTxveli, qalbatoni rusudan beriSvili, Cveni eqspertebi zviad qoriZe da levan xinTibiZe eswrebodnen, monawileoba vaxtang gaCeCilaZem, irakli axobaZe, biZina cincaZe da vladimer lomTaTiZe movidnen. ~TofaZe-mrewvelebis~ warmomadgeneli, malxaz jinWaraZe, romelic presasTan dRemde ar gamoCenila, CvenTvis daudgeneli mizezis gamo ar gvewvia. ~moqalaqeTa politikuri gaerTianeba sruliad saqarTvelos saxalxo aliansis~ siis pirvelma nomerma, manana TavarTqilaZem ki 24 maiss, satelefono saubrisas gviTxra, rom ozurgeTSi imyofeboda da debatebs im SemTxvevaSi daeswreboda Tu moaxerxebda (?!). gaurkveveli darCa daviT SaraSiZis mousvlelobis mizezi. rac Seexeba saxelisuflebo partias, siis pirvelma nomerma, mamuka doliZem mousvlelobis mizezad opozicia daasaxela da aRniSna, rom maTTan debatebSi ar dajdeboda(?!). manana jinWaraZem ki gviTxra, rom skolaSi iyo da wamosvlas ver axerxebda. erTi sityviT, ~nacionalurma moZraobam~ CoxataurSi, arCevnebis dros, saWirod ar CaTvala gazeTis aTasobiT mkiTxvelisTvis gaecno Tavisi mosazrebebi. marTalia ~nacionalebi~ sofel-sofel dadian da xmebis mosapoveblad ~Zalebs~ ar iSureben, magram am SemTxvevaSi, ver gariskes gakeTebul da awi gasakeTebel mraval saqmeze oponentebis TandaswrebiT esaubraT.
monawileebma tradiciuli sagamocdo testi Seavses.Tema pirveli: fiqrobT Tu ara, rom reforma Sedga da TviTmmarTveloba centrisgan uflebrivad da finansurad damoukidebelia?
vaxtang gaCeCilaZe: _ realurad, reforma qaRaldze Sedga. es reforma erTgvari fasadia, radgan TviTmmarTveloba damoukideblad verafers wyvets, Tu centridan ar miiRes garkveuli miTiTebebi. sanam iqneba erTpartiuli sistema, damoukidebel gadawyvetilebas verasodes miiReben da yovelTvis iqnebian centraluri xelisuflebis gavlenis qveS.
irakli axobaZe: _ yvelaferi qaRaldzea gakeTebuli. faqtiurad, saxeze gvaqvs yvela niSani imisa, rom TviTmmarTveloba rogorc damoukidebeli instituti, ar arsebobs da aris marTuli centraluri xelisuflebidan.
vladimer lomTaTiZe: _ Cemis azriT, TviTmmarTveloba saqarTveloSi ar arsebobs. es TviTmmarTvelobis proeqti gadmotanilia, albaT, romelime normaluri demokratiuli qveynidan. me, rogorc sakrebulos wevrs miwevda sakrebuloSi yofna da minda giTxraT _ TviT mmarTveli gundic ki ver wyvets verafers _ yvelaferi ~zevidan~ davalebiT xdeba. sakrebulos sxdomebze miviRebdiT debulebas da mTeli wlis ganmavlobaSi am debulebaSi cvlilebebi Sedioda! Tanac umniSvnelo sakiTxebze _ gamgebeli unda eweros Tu gamgeoba da a.S
biZina cincaZe: _ me sakrebuloSi ar vyofilvar, magram veTanxmebi mosazrebas _ sakrebuloebis marTva zevidan xdeba.Tema meore: ra meTodebiT Seecdeba Tqveni politikuri partia, sakrebuloSi yofnis SemTxvevaSi, moqalaqeebis CarTvas marTvis procesSi?
vaxtang gaCeCilaZe: _ kanoni nebismier moqalaqes aZlevs uflebas, rom miiRos sakrebulos sxdomebSi monawileoba da Tu raime SeniSvna eqneba, mas aqvs ufleba es SeniSvna daafiqsiros. ramdenad gaTvaliswinebuli iyo aqamde, Tqvenc kargad xedavT. Cven maqsimalurad vecdebiT, rom Cveni iq yofnis SemTxvevaSi, gamoviyenoT es ufleba; Cven SeiZleba yvelafers ver gavwvdeT, amitom saWiroa yovelTvis xalxis daswreba iseT SemTxvevebSi, roca biujeti miiReba, roca mniSvnelovani sakiTxebi wydeba raionisTvis, radgan maT exebaT es yvelaferi. magaliTad, Tu romelime soflis problemebi wydeba, iq marto im soflis rwmunebuli da maJoritari ar unda iyos. me vfiqrob, rom sxdomas aucileblad unda eswrebodes am soflis aqtivi.
irakli axobaZe: _ Cven programaSic gvaqvs es sakiTxi _ gadawyvetileba biujetis Sesaxeb miRebul iqnes pirvel doneze, anu soflis krebebze, sadac ganisazRvreba prioritetebi da mas Semdeg ganixilos sakrebulom, anu sxdomaze dauswrebladac SeiZleba adamianebi CavrToT sakrebulos muSaobaSi.
vladimer lomTaTiZe: _ TviTon sazogadoeba aris Zalian inertuli am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT. erTi kacic ar maxsovs mosuliyos sxdomaze daswrebis surviliT. amis mizezi is mgonia, rom sazogadoeba xvdeba, rom es ar aris realuri TviTmmarTveloba. rac Seexeba imas,Tu ras apirebs Cemi moZraoba aRniSnul TemasTan dakavSirebiT, sazogadoeba unda davarwmunoT, rom maTi problemebis gadawyveta realurad xdeba adgilobriv sakrebuloebSi.
biZina cincaZe: _ adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebisTvis vapirebT Tavad sofelma gadawyvitos Tavisi prioritetebi. axla sapirispirod xdeba _ sofelma saerTod ar icis, ise akeTeben avtobusis mosacdels, arada, am sofelSi kvartalSi erTxel dadis manqana! amitom, rac xalxs sWirdeba, TviTon xalxma unda gadawyvitos.
monawileebs gauWirdaT daesaxelebinaT 2009 an 2010 wels, adgilobrivi xelisuflebis mier inicirebuli TiTo aqtivoba, romliTac Coxatauris mosaxleobas samarTlianobis gancda ganumtkicda. usamarTlobis gancdis gamomwvevi faqtebis CamonaTvalma ki sakmaod grZeli nusxa Seadgina _ samarTlo daWerebi, kerZo sakuTrebis xelyofa, socialuri usamarTloba, jandacvis uflebis arqona...
vaxtang gaCeCilaZe: _ cota Znelia aseTi faqtebis gaxseneba zogadad, magram erTaderTi rac maxsendeba, es gaxlavT goCa jiqias ganTavisufleba, romelmac xalxs cotaTi daubruna samarTlianobis gancda; Tumca,
_ Tqveni politikuri Zala Tvlis Tu ara, rom adgilobrivi problemebis gadasaWrelad, socialuri programebis dasafinanseblad, prioritetebi xalxis monawileobiT adgilze unda ganisazRvros da TviTmmarTvelobam centrisgan CamorTmeuli finansuri wyaroebic unda daibrunos? _ am kiTxvaze debatebSi monawileebma dadebiTi pasuxebi gagvces.kiTxva-pasuxis dasrulebis Semdeg, monawileebsa da damswre sazogadoebas Soris cxare debatebi gaimarTa imaze, aris Tu ara realuri CoxataurSi opozicia. yvelaze meti interesiT publika ~qristian-demokratebis~ politikuri kursiT dainteresda. biZina cincaZes imis mtkiceba mouxda, rom miuxedavad maTi zogierTi kandidatis xmamaRali gancxadebisa, rom opozicias ar warmoadgenen, namdvilad opozicionerebi arian. cincaZem, amis dasturad, misi xelmZRvanelebis mwvave gamosvlebi daasaxela.
konservator vladimer lomTaTiZes Tavis politikur warsulzec mouxda saubari: Tu ratom misca opozicionerma ~nacionalebis~ kandidats koba zaqareiSvils:
_ imitom, rom kobas 1200 dabelma dauWira mxari. mec am 1200 kacs vende da xma miveci, _ aRniSna lomTaTiZem da mis mier sakrebuloSi gatarebuli 5 weli asea Seafasa _ mainc azri ar hqonda, Cems sityvas, ver gavitandi.
rac Seexeba ~alians~, maT mimarT gankuTvnili SekiTxvebi umetesad maT kandidats - vladimer sixaruliZes exeboda; adamians, romelic gamgeobidan jamagirs, TveSi 700 lars iRebs, ambobs rom xelisuflebam siaSi ar Casva da amitomac daTanxmda ~aliansis~ kandidatobas. vaxtang gaCeCilaZis da irakli axobaZis ganmartebiT, batoni vladimeri is adamiania, romelmac Zalian kargad icis ra aris TviTmmarTveloba. erTi sityviT, saWiro kacia, miuxedavad imisa, rom 9 aprilis aqciebze siaruli gubernatorTan TaTbirebis Semdeg daTmo da xelisuflebisgan maRalanazRaurebadi Tanamdeboba Caibara.
eqspertis Sefaseba:
levan xinTibiZe: _ pirvel rigSi, minda aRvniSno is dadebiTi tendencia, romlis Sesabamisadac nel-nela yalibdeba debatebis politikuri kultura Cvens realobaSi da aq mediis roli ganusazRvrelad didia. politikur partiebs da maT warmomadgenlebs yovelTvis unda hqondes is gancda, rom samoqalaqo sazogadoeba gaakontrolebs da yuradRebas miaqcevs maT qmedebebs. winasaarCevno sagazeTo debatebi ZiriTadad mimarTuli gaxldaT mosaxleobis informirebisaTvis, Tu ra xedvebiT, rogori politikuri platformiT modian xelisuflebaSi saarCevno subieqtebi. samwuxaroa, rom CoxataurSi, debatebs ar eswrebodnen mmarTveli partiis, ~nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebi;. ar gvsurs maincdamainc cudi vivaraudoT, magram es faqti swored kiTxvebidan Tavis aridebis mcdelobad SesaZlebelia SevafasoT, rac maT arcTu momgebian situaciaSi ayenebT.
debatebisas, calkeul SemTxvevebSi, aSkarad rCeboda STabeWdileba imisa, rom politikosebs srulad ar aqvT gacnobierebuli, Tu ra tipis kompetenciis organos arCevnebSi iReben monawileobas, miuxedavad maTi gulwrfeli saarCevno dapirebebisa. sakrebulos umravlesobis momentaluri partiuli cvlileba ar niSnavs imas, rom yvelaferi uecrad Seicvleba pirdapirproporciulad dadebiTi mimarTulebiT. mxolod keTili survilebi ar kmara realuri decentralizaciis gasaxorcieleblad, saWiroa meti kompetenturoba da ufro meti mzadeba konkurenciis gasaZlebad. sazogadoebisaTvis arCevani unda iyos ukeTesTa Soris saukeTesos asarCevad da ara uaresebs Soris cudis arCevisTvis. yovel SemTxvevaSi, momaval sakrebulos mouwevs ufro meti angariSi gauwios sazogadoebas, radganac Cvens qveyanaSi samoqalaqo sazogadoeba ufro Cqari tempiT viTardeba, vidre TviTmmarTvelobebi.~fuli gadauxades wina dRes xalxs da ase moiges arCevnebi~
(guria niusi, lanCxuTi) _ guSinwindeli arCevnebi lanCxuTSi dilidanve xmauriT daiwyo. gurul ~konservatorTa~ lideris maka kvirkvelias TqmiT, #37 ubanze ar iyo daculi xmis micemis procedura: _ xmis misacemi kabinebi ise iyo mowyobili, rom amomrCevlis mier gakeTebuli arCevnis danaxva sxvasac SeeZlo. dilidanve avtexe xmauri, radgan xmis micemis faruloba garantirebuli ar iyo. amis gamo naTia uruSaZe daWeriT damemuqra, arCevnebs miSlio. arada, jer gaxsnilic ar iyo ubani, _ gviTxra man.
#2 ubnis mimdebare teritoriaze ~qristian-demokratiuli~ moZraobis adgilobriv liders, marika Turnavas mmarTveli partiis aqtivistebi ~saqmes urCevdnen~, aqaoda, agitacias nu atarebo. Tumca, isic aSkara iyo, rom agitacia-propagandas Tavad aqtiur eweodnen. analogiuri situacia sufevda sxva ubnebzec. gvimbalauris saarCevno ubanze ~saswrafo daxmarebis~ brigada gamoiZaxes _ erT-erTi amomrCeveli SeuZlod gaxda. marika Turnavam ganacxada, rom gvimbalaurSi karuselis mcdelobas hqonda adgili: _ gareT iyo gamosuli ~nacionalebis~ warmomadgeneli da RobesTan elaparakeboda erT-erT amomrCevels. roca es gavaproteste, miTxres, rom es adamiani saxlSi midioda da maTi saubari arCevnebs ar ukavSirdeboda. ubanze Sesulma ki davinaxe, rom es amomrCeveli xmas aZlevda. roca amis gamo protesti gamovTqvi, am amomrCevels guli wauvida da ~saswrafo daxmarebac~ ki gamoiZaxes. esec me gadmomabrales, metic, undodaT davedanaSaulebine, TiTqos arCevnebis CaSla mindoda gvimbalaurSi, _ gviTxra ~qristian-demokratebis~ pirvelma nomerma.
dRis manZilze kidev erTi informacia gavrcelda _ sufsis erT-erT saarCevno ubanze biuletenSi erT-erTi maJoritarobis kandidatis, jumber blagiZis saxeli da gvari Setanili ar iyoo (!!!). SemTxvevis adgilze lanCxuTis saolqo komisiis Tavmjdomare zviad nakaiZe gaemgzavra. rogorc mogvianebiT saolqo-saarCevno komisiaSi gviTxres, sufsaSi yvelaferi normalurad mimdinareobs da jumber blagiZe biuletenSi namdvilad aris Seyvanili. opozicionerebi ki ambobdnen, rom ramdenime biuletenSi blagiZe namdvilad ar iyo. amaves acxadebs ~erovnuli sabWos~ lideri maka kvirkvelia: _ diax, jumber blagiZe ar iyo biuletenebSi misive _ xidmaRalas ubanze, _ gviTxra opozicionerma.
dRis 12 saaTisTvis lanCxuTSi aqtivoba Zalian maRali iyo _ TiTqmis 30%. am droisTvis ubnebi ukve movlili hqonda ~samarTliani saqarTvelosTvis~ warmomadgenels ana qerqaZes. misi TqmiT, im droisTvis raime mniSvnelovani darRveva ar daufiqsirebia, Tumca, SeSfoTeba gamoxata imis gamo, rom saarCevno ubnebTan koordinatorebi dganan da iniSnaven misul amomrCevels.
qalaqSi ~nacionalebis~ maJoritarobis kandidatis, zviad afxazavas Stabis ufrosma, firuz gujabiZem 12 saaTisTvis mis xelT arsebuli miaxloebiTi informacia moawoda: _ Cvens kandidats daaxloebiT 65% aqvs, _ gviTxra man.
sruli simSvide iyo mmarTveli partiis mTavar StabSi. ~nacmoZraobis~ pirvelma nomerma, zviad afxazavam CvenTan saubarSi aRniSna, rom im droisTvis informacia mxolod amomrCevlis maRali aqtivobis Sesaxeb hqonda.
lanCxuTSi opoziciuri Stabebi sruli datvirTviT ver muSaobdnen. maT rom finansuri resursi ar aqvT, cnobilia, magram, rogorc Cans, arc kadrebi hyavdaT _ ~aliansis~ Stabi daketili dagvxvda. rogorc blokis liderma, roman biwaZem gviTxra, is agarakis ubanze iyo gasuli.
am droisTvis #2 ubanze imyofeboda ~qristian-demokratTa~ lideri marika Turnava. ra Tqma unda, ~sruliad saqarTvelos saxalxo aliansisa~ da ~mrewvelebi-TofaZis~ Stabebis Zebna ar dagviwyia, radgan maT adgilze warmomadgenlobebi ar aqvT _ maTi siebi xom xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli adamianebiT aris dakompleqtebuli da saarCevno ubnebze warmomadgenlebad Tu wevrebad ~mrewvelebi~ aseve ~samTavrobo xalxiT~ aris dakompleqtebuli. isini ~nacionalebis~ StabSic aqtiurad gamoCndnen.
yvelaze rTuli mdgomareoba ~erovnuli sabWos~ ofisTan Segxvda, sadac abra Camoxsnili iyo, xolo ofisis dalagebis fonze saeWvod gveCvena WiSkarTan motanili savse tomrebi, romelSic, rogorc aRmoCnda, ~erovnuli sabWos~ nivTebi iyo Cayrili. Cven qalbatons gamovelaparakeT, romelic ofiss alagebda: _ sad gadaitanes, ver gvetyviT. dRes diliT wavidnen, _ gviTxra man.
amis Semdeg, ~erovnuli sabWos~ liderebs davukavSirdiT. maka kvirkveliam gviTxra, rom lela CaxvaZes bolo dReebSi piradi problemebi hqonda da amitom ver axerxebs StabSi yofnaso. man araferi icoda ofisidan abris Camoxsnis Sesaxeb: _ rogorc iciT, es aris ~moZraoba samarTliani saqarTvelosTvis~ Stabi, namdvilad verafers getyviT, ra moxda, _ gviTxra kvirkveliam.
CvenTan saubarSi lela CaxvaZem aRniSna, rom is quTaisSi imyofeba, radgan mis siZes avaria SeemTxva da mdgomareoba kvlavac mZimea: _ am wuTSic quTaisis klinikur saavadmyofoSi vimyofebi. avariaSi moyva Cemi siZe, misi mdgomareoba mZimea da eqimebi jer ver gvaimedeben, rom sicocxles safrTxe ar daemuqreba. es adamiani aris lesaSi Cveni maJoritarobis kandidatis, nodar ugrexeliZis mama, _ gviTxra CaxvaZem.
_ qalbatono lela, ofisi ratom dacaleT?
_ Tqven es vin giTxraT? pirvelad mesmis.
_ abra xom gqondaT?
_ ki.
_ hoda, axla arc abraa da WiSkarTan dayrilia tomrebi, romlebSic, savaraudod, Tqveni nivTebia.
_ gaverkvevi da dagirekavT.
male CaxvaZem marTlac dagvireka da gviTxra, rom am Temaze revaz ormocaZes davkavSirebodiT, radgan is iyo guSin ofisSi sxva mxardamWerebTan erTad: _ guSin rom raRac gaurkvevloba iyo, vicodi, magram dRes Tu es moxda, namdvilad ar gamigia, _ gviTxra lela CaxvaZem.
CvenTan saubarSi revaz ormocaZem mxolod is gviTxra, rom aRniSnulTan dakavSirebiT vrcel komentars arCevnebis Semdeg gaakeTeben: _ vfiqrob, es aris xelovnurad Seqmnili problema, xolo vrclad am faqtis moralur Tu samarTlebriv kuTxeze uaxloes dReebSi visaubrebT, _ gviTxra ormocaZem.
gvian saRamos isev davukavSirdiT opozicioner liderebs. marika Turnavas gancxadebiT, seriozuli darRveva ar daufiqsirebia, Tumca #2 ubanze darRvevis mcdelobas hqonda adgili: _ viCqare, Torem darRvevas davafiqsirebdi. amomrCevels sul sxva adamianis piradobis mowmoba hqonda da biuletenebs sxva piris saxelze aZlevdnen! _ gviTxra ~qristian-demokratebis~ liderma.
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saolqo-saarCevno komisiaSi pirveli oragvis saarCevno ubani 23.56 saaTze gamocxadda. saolqo komisias ramdenime ubanTan garkveuli SeniSvnebi hqonda, Tumca, raime seriozul gadacdomas adgili ar hqonia. Cven mogvawodes informacia, rom #2 saarCevno ubanze ~qristian-demokratiuli moZraobis~ adgilobriv lider marine Turqias Seuracxyofa miayenes. Tavad opozicionerma incidenti daadastura, Tumca meti komentaris gakeTeba ar isurva.
roman biwaZe ambobs, rom mniSvnelovani darRveva ar daufiqsirebia: _ darRvevebi ar aris. iseTi kanoni aqvT miRebuli, darRveva araferi ar aris _ demokratiis niRbiT yvelafris ufleba aqvT! sajaro moxeleebi, maTi qvemoxeleebi ewevian pirdapir agitacias da amas kanoni ar ukrZalavs _ uqme dRea. axla Cven imas vcdilobT, sadac Cvens kandidatebs Sansi aqvT, imaT davexmaroT. erT mandats, Tu 18 aTasi amomrCeveli movida, 900 xma dasWirdeba, 2-s _ 3600. Tu ~mrewvelebi~ xels ar SegviSlian, raRacas vizamT. vexvewebi maT warmomadgenlebs, gazeTSi rom daweres, rom movindomoT ~nacionalebs~ movugebTo, moindomon da dagvexmaron am saqmeSi, magram samwuxarod, amas ar apireben, _ gviTxra biwaZem.
maka kvirkveliam ki ganacxada, rom mravali darRveva dafiqsirda da amis Sesaxeb am dReebSi detalurad isaubrebs: _ es ra arCevnebia?! darRvevebi iyo, aba, ra! saolqosa da qalaqis ubnis Tavmjdomareebi dapatimrebiT memuqrebodnen. amasTan, arCevnebis wina dRes gaxorcielda amomrCevelTa mosyidva _ maT fuli gadauxades, ris Sesaxebac gvaqvs mtkicebuleba. detalurad male visaubreb. ~karuselebic~ daatriales, _ acxadebs kvirkvelia.
guSindeli arCevnebis Sedegebi opoziciisTvis, SeiZleba iTqvas, katastrofulia: ~nacionalurma moZraobam~ gaiyvana yvela, 16-ive maJoritari, rac Seexeba proprciul arCevnebs, mmarTveli partiis Sedegi aqac STambeWdavia _ maT, daaxloebiT, xmebis 65% aiRes da 16 maJoritars, savaraudod, kidev 7 wevrs daumateben. TiTo kandidats, savaraudod, gaiyvanen ~qristian-demokratebi~, ~aliansi~ da ~erovnuli sabWo~. an maqsimum ~qristian-demokratebma~ meore wevri gaiyvanon. yvela SemTxvevaSi, axali sakrebulo kidev ufro erTpartiuli iqneba, vidre wina mowvevis sakrebulo.
dRes opoziciis warmomadgenlebi, savaraudod, preskonferenciebs moawyoben da albaT, daasaxeleben mizezebs, ris gamoc sruli fiako ganicades.
sul 26-kacian sakrebuloSi 22-23 ~nacionalebi~ iqnebian, 1-2 ~qristian-demokratebi~ da TiTo ~aliansisa~ da ~erovnuli sabWos~ warmomadgenlebi anu cnobilia 26-ive wevris vinaoba: zviad afxazava, gia oragveliZe, revaz CitiZe, goCa janaSia, goCa kilaZe, daviT CxaiZe, zorbeg xuxunaiSvili, levan imnaZe, giorgi CaxvaZe, kaxa pataraia, gela quriZe, amiran gigineiSvili, guliver Rlonti, dali kverenCxilaZe, nugzar xavTasi, biZina CubiniZe, ilo gvarjalaZe; kaxaber gujabiZe, merab wilosani, paata fircxalaiSvili, kaxa xelaZe, nugzar Rlonti (yvela ~nacmoZraoba~); marika Turnava (qristian-demokratiuli moZraoba), daviT wulaZe, (aliansi), maka kvirkvelia (erovnuli sabWo) da Tamaz kunWulia (nacmoZraoba) an levan CxaiZe (qristian-demokratiuli moZraoba).~yvelaze, yvelaze...~
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CoxataurSi registrirebuli 18 961 amomrCevlidan, arCevnebze 12 637, anu 65,2% gamocxadda. winasaarCevnod ~damuSavebulma~, damkvirveblebis, saarCevno komisiebSi realuri opoziciis da realuri konkurenciis gareSe Semdgarma saarCevno procesma ~mSvidad~, Tumca, mainc rigi darRvevebis fonze Caiara.
yvelaze daZabuli xevis saarCevno ubani iyo, sadac darRvevebs dilidanve hqonda adgili: gadasatani yuTi ubnidan 10 wuTis dagvianebiT gavida, Semdeg ki 1 saaTis ganmavlobaSi, ubnis mimdebare teritoriaze gaurkveveli mizezebis gamo hqondaT gaCerebuli. maSin roca Cvenma damkvirvebelma, gadasatani yuTis Tanmxleb pirebs saCivarze xelis mowera sTxova da Tanxmobac miiRo, komisiis Tavmjdomare, qeTevan miqaSaviZe muqaraze gadavida: _ lukmad ar meyofi, ise gadagylapav, _ darRvevis dafiqsirebas ver Seegua miqaSaviZe. kaciylapia komisiis Tavmjdomaris saxeli da gvari centralur saarCevno komisias gadaeca da Cveni damkvirveblis dacva egzaltirebuli komisiis Tavmjdomarisgan ceskom iTava.
imave ubnis datovebaze winaaRmdegoba gaswies gazeT ~Cemi Coxatauris~ TanamSromlebma, romlebsac ar hqondaT Sesabamisi akreditacia da ubanze sakuTari surviliTa da patron-myvarebeli osefaiSvilis mxardasaWerad(?!) imyofebodnen.
Cveni korespondentebis TqmiT, xevis saarCevno ubanTan mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi mimdinareobda Cumi agitacia da amomrCevelTa ~damuSaveba~.
darRvevas hqonda adgili bukiscixis saarCevno ubanSi _ kabinaSi kandidati nacmoebidan _ ediSer sixaruliZe da xuTiani mkveTrad iyo Semoxazuli. SuaganaxlebaSi gadasatani yuTis ZiriTad da gadaweril siebSi, piradobis mowmobebi sxvadasxva iyo. axalSenSi, komisiis Tavmjdomarem, romelsac wesrigisa da kanonis dacva evaleba da amaSi saxelmwifo fuls uxdis, yuTSi 2 biuleteni Tavad Caagdo; zemo surebSi ki ukan mobrunebul gadasatani yuTis 29 biuletenidan erTi ~sadRac daekargaT~. mkiTxvels SevaxsenebT, rom amgvari ~dakarguli biuletenebiT~, rogorc wesi, ~karuselebi trialebs~.
nacionaluri moZraobis wevrebi da e.w. ~Zveli biWebi~, romlebic sxvaTa Soris, mTel saqarTveloSi saarCevno ubnebTan al-kapones agentebiviT Savi saTvaleebiT ~abirJavebdnen~, ubnebs uxmaurod ~uyurebdnen~, ezoebTan amomrCevels RimiliT xvdebodnen, Cvens danaxvaze ki manqanebSi sxdebodnen da mimdebare teritorias tovebdnen.
aRsaniSnavia is faqtic, rom ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~ gogolesubnis maJoritari deputatobis kandidati Suqri sixaruliZe, romelsac kandidatura oficialurad ar mouxsnia, dRis meore naxevarSi nacionaluri moZraobis ofisis win, saxelisuflebo partiis adgilobriv liderebTan baasiT irTobda Tavs.
aseTi iyo ~yvelaze demokratiuli, Tavisufali da gamWvirvale~ arCevnebis dRe CoxataurSi.Txaze gayiduli kanoni
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27 maiss, Coxatauris municipalitetis sofel xevSi safexburTo turniri Catarda, sadac erTmaneTs xevisa da nabeRlavis mcxovreblebi ejibrebodnen. turniris organizatori da prizebis damrigebelic xevis saarCevno komisiis wevri nacionaluri moZraobidan daTuna mamalaZe iyo. sando wyaros cnobiT, safexburTo turnirs safuZvlad, arc meti, arc naklebi _ Txa daedo.
_ xevisa da nabeRlavis maJoritari deputatobis kandidatebma nacionaluri moZraobidan, zaur osefaiSvilma da Temur koroSinaZem naZlevi dades _ wagebuli Txas ikisrebda. gamarjveba nabeRlavis gunds ergo da Sesabamisad, Txa zaur osefaiSvilma unda SeiZinos, _ aRniSnavs wyaro.
Temur koroSinaZem CvenTan saubrisas es faqti ar daadastura da gviTxra, rom turniris Catarebis Sesaxeb informacia Cvengan gaigo, Tumca, nabeRlavelma moTamaSem dagvidastura, rom TamaSs, romelic moulodnelad daigegma, safuZvlad namdvilad naZlevi daedo.
_ organizatori xevidan iyo. SeuTanxmdnen ufrosobas da daaweses prizebi, _ gviTxra erT-erTma nabeRlavelma moTamaSem.
_ vin ufrosobas?
_ axalgazrdul centrSi. zustad ar vici, eg rogor moxda. gubazeulis sapativcemulod aqvT Tasi, romelsac gubaz Tass eZaxian da yovelwliurad Catardeba es turnirio, ase gviTxres. 27 maiss pirvelad Catarda.
_ rogorc viciT, iq nacionalebic iyvnen.
_ ki.
_ saCuqrebi vin gadmogcaT?
_ xevis koordinatorma, daTo mamalaZem.
_ batonma zaurma Tu miiRo saCuqrebis darigebaSi monawileoba?
_ ki, eswreboda da iq iyo, magram misTvis didi yuradReba ar mimiqcevia. saCuqrebis gadacemis procesSi iq iyo.
_ rogorc viciT, Txaze iyo TamaSi?
_ eg TviTon isini SeTanxmdnen.
_ vin isini?
_ zevidan. ar vici, konkretulad vineebi.
_ Cven gviTxres, rom kandidatebi SeTanxmdnen, rom vinc waagebda Txa imas unda eyida...
_ ramdenadac vici, mase iyo.
aRsaniSnavia isic, rom osefaiSvilTan erTad, xevSi gamarTul TamaSs anton xundaZec eswreboda.
daTuna mamalaZem CvenTan saubrisas aRniSna, rom amaSi gansakuTrebuli araferia:
_ organizatori me viyavi _ axalgazrduli centri xevis saxeliT, _ dasZina mamalaZem.
winasaarCevno kampaniis periodSi msgavsi qmedeba akrZalulia da kanoniT isjeba. miT umetes, roca ramdenime mowme da Cvens mier mopovebuli foto masalebi adastureben, rom mamalaZem namdvilad gadasca moTamaSeebs saCuqrebi da iqve imyofeboda zaur osefaiSvili. dairRva ra saqarTvelos saarCevno kodeqsis 73-e muxlis me-9 punqti, ~Tavisufali ganviTarebisa da uflebebis dacvis asociaciam~ aRniSnul faqtze Coxatauris saolqo saarCevno komisiaSi saCivari Seitana. rogorc mosalodneli iyo, saolqo komisiam saCivari ar daakmayofila da 13 adamianma, opoziciis(?!) CaTvliT, kanonis darRvevas dauWira mxari. komisiam osefaiSvilis arCevnebidan moxsna, cxadia, ver gabeda, amasTan, mamalaZis pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi, romelmac sxdomaze pirdapir ganacxada, rom saCuqrebi sakuTari xarjebiT SeiZina, saerTod ar dauyenebia, miuxedavad imisa, rom kanonSi garkveviT weria: ~arCevnebis daniSvnis Sesaxeb Sesabamisi samarTlebrivi aqtis gamoqveynebidan arCevnebis saboloo Sedegebis gamoqveynebamde akrZalulia: a) saarCevno subieqtebis, subieqtobis kandidatebisa da maTi warmomadgenlebis mier piradad an vinmes meSveobiT saqarTvelos moqalaqeebisTvis fuladi saxsrebis, saCuqrebis da sxva materialuri faseulobaTa gadacema (miuxedavad maTi Rirebulebisa)~.
_ rac Seexeba daTuna mamalaZis mier saCuqris gadacemis faqts, es pirovneba aris arasamTavrobo organizaciis ~axalgazrduli centri xevis~ warmomadgeneli da moqmedebda aRniSnuli organizaciis saxeliT da samoqmedo gegmiT, _ weria saolqo komisiis mier miRebul gadawyvetilebaSi im dros, roca mamalaZem sxdomaze garkveviT aRniSna, rom saCuqrebi sakuTari saxsrebiT SeiZina da aseve daadastura is faqtic, rom arasamTavrobo organizaciis samoqmedo gegmaSi, turniris Catareba 27 maiss ar iyo gansazRvruli. es faqti ara mxolod saolqo saarCevno komisiis mier kanonis fexebze dakidebas adasturebs, aramed, saolqo komisiaSi opoziciis warmomadgenelTa moralur, politikur da moqalaqeobriv farisevlobasac!ratom ar moixsna registraciidan guram tyeSeliaZe
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~saqarTvelos saarCevno kodeqsis~ mixedviT, ~arCevnebis daniSvnis Sesaxeb Sesabamisi samarTlebrivi aqtis gamoqveynebidan, arCevnebis saboloo Sedegebis gamoqveynebamde, akrZalulia saarCevno subieqtebis/subieqtobis kandidatebis mier piradad an vinmes meSveobiT saqarTvelos moqalaqeebisaTvis fuladi saxsrebis, saCuqrebisa da sxva materialur faseulobaTa gadacema, miuxedavad maTi Rirebulebisa~.
mimdinare wlis 25-26 maiss, gorabereJoulis adgilobriv saarCevno olqis teritoriaze, amave olqSi nacionaluri moZraobis mier wardgenilma da kanoniT registrirebulma maJoritarma kandidatma guram tyeSeliaZem gorabereJoulSi mcxovreb aqtiuri saarCevno uflebis mqone moqalaqes valeri janberiZes gadasca 20 litri Rvino da 20 litri sawvavis taloni.
_ saCuqrad momca, me vTxove. es ambavi 3-4 dRis win moxda, _ aRniSna CvenTan saubrisas janberiZem.
guram tyeSeliaZis mier uxeSad dairRva saqarTvelos saarCevno kodeqsis 73-e muxlis, me-9 punqtis ~a~ qvepunqti, rac amavdroulad saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsis mixedviT, dasjadi qmedebaa, romelic iTvaliswinebs pasuxismgeblobas amomrCevlis mosyidvisaTvis. swored amitom, Tavisufali ganviTarebisa da uflebebis dacvis asociaciam, 29 maiss, Coxatauris saolqo saarCevno komisias mimarTa da gorabereJoulis (#62/07) adgilobriv maJoritarul olqSi registrirebuli, nacionaluri moZraobis mier wardgenili maJoritari kandidatis guram tyeSeliaZis saarCevno registraciis gauqmeba moiTxova.
komisiis sxdoma imave dRes, Ramis 10 saaTze gaimarTa. janberiZem iqac daadastura CvenTan Tqmuli, oRond im gansxvavebiT, rom sawvavis talonis gadacemis drod marti daafiqsira.
_ Rvinis CuqebisTvis kaci rogor unda davsajoT?! _ gakvirveba gamoxates saolqo komisiis im wevrebma, romlebic Coxatauris municipalitetis gamgeobaSi muSaoben da romlebis funqciac, samwuxarod, mxolod xelis aweva gaxlavT.
xuTi xmiT oTxis winaaRmdeg, saCivari ar dakmayofilda. saolqo saarCevno komisiis Tavmjdomarem Temur kutubiZem sakuTari mosazrebis dafiqsirebisgan Tavi Seikava.gauqmdeba Tu ara Sedegebi boxvauris saarCevno ubanze
marika axalaZe
ozurgeTis saarCevno olqis boxvauris saarCevno ubanze ZiriTadi da gadasatani yuTebi ubanze baTilad gamocxadda _ am sakiTxs saolqo komisia ganixilavs.
erTian saarCevno siaSi 1583 amomrCeveli dafiqsirda, amaTgan specialuri siaSi _ 2, xolo siis danarTSi _ 107. kenWisyris SenobaSi procesis dawyebamde da dasrulebis Semdeg, rodesac SenobaSi unda yofiliyvnen mxolod aq yofnis uflebis mqone pirebi, imyofeboda policiis warmomadgeneli ~wesrigis dacvis~ mizniT.
kenWisyris procesis dawyebisTanave dafiqsirda darRveva: nakadis momwesrigebelma kenWisyris SenobaSi erTdroulad 15 amomrCeveli SemouSva.
procesis dros saubno saarCevno komisiis mxridan dafiqsirda zewola adgilobrivi opoziciuri partiis warmomadgenlebze, kerZod, partia ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~ warmomadgenelze marine sunguliaze, romelsac procedurul darRvevebTan dakavSirebiT saCivris daweris saSualebas ar aZlevdnen. saCivari, romelic sunguliam dawera, Semdegi Sinaarsisaa:
~moqalaqe arCil bajeliZe movida upasportod da registratorma nana cxvedianma misca biuletenebi, romlebic iqna aRmoCenili da gauqmda. am registratorze msgavsi eWvi sxva SemTxvevaSic arsebobda. Tavmjdomarem winaaRmdegoba gawia biuletenebis gadmocemaze, xolo Semdgom saolqos Tavmjdomaris moTxovniT gadmomca es biuletenebi, romlis nomeria 0023. moTxovna –dajarimdes registratori~, _ saCivari 12:20 wuTze daiwera.
komisiis Tavmjdomare manana devaZem sungulias provokatori uwoda da moiTxovda mis gaZevebas saarCevno ubnidan. am incindentis dros ubanze movida ceskos warmomadgeneli paata manjgalaZe, olqis Tavmjdomare zviad TenieSvili da ~guria niusis~ Jurnalisti. manjgalaZem da TenieSvilma situacia ganmuxtes da aRniSnuli ubani spec-kontrolze aiyvanes. olqis Tavmjdomaris moadgile ubnis daxurvamde procesebs zedamxedvelobas uwevda.
olqis Tavmjdomarem komisiis wevrebs mouwoda, SenobaSi yofnis uflebis mqone yvela pirisTvis miecaT ufleba, Tavisuflad gamoexataT protesti nebismier darRvevaze.
procesis dros ramdenjerme dafiqsirda markirebis gamouyenebloba, aseve proceduris arasworad gamoyeneba (marjvena xelis TiTis nacvlad, marcxena xelis TiTze) registratorebis mxridan.
darRveva dafiqsirda gadasatan yuTTan dakavSirebiT _ amomrCevelTa siaSi ar aRmoCnda 4 amomrCeveli, gadasatan yuTSi ki 4 zedmeti biuleteni dafiqsirda. saolqo da saubno komisiis gadawyvetilebiT, gadasatani yuTi baTilad gamocxadda.
8 saaTze daixura saarCevno ubani. amomrCevelTa ZiriTad siaSi 874 xelmowera dafiqsirda. biuletenebis daTvlis Semdeg, maTi raodenoba ar daemTxva amomrCevelTa xelweris raodenobas _ kerZod, proporciuli saarCevno biuletenebis raodenoba Seadgenda 877-s, maJoritarulis _ 874-s, Sualeduri saparlamento biuleteni _ 874-s. ceskos warmomadgenlis gadawyvetilebiT, ZiriTadi saarCevno biuletenebi gabaTilda, dailuqa da gadaeca saolqo saarCevno komisias, romelic am sakiTxze uaxloes periodSi imsjelebs. SesaZloa #60/23 ubanze arCevnebi xelaxla gaimarTos.
proporciuli arCevnebis Sedegebi boxvauris saarCevno ubanze: ~nacionaluri moZraoba~ _ 547 xma, ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~ _ 100, ~erovnuli sabWo~ _ 83, ~qristian-demokratiuli partia~ _ 96, ~TofaZe-mrewvelebi~ _ 14 xma.
maJoritaruli arCevnebi: ~nacionaluri moZraoba~ _ valerian girkeliZe _ 540 xma, daviT girkeliZe, ~aliansi saqarTvelosTvis~ _ 116, amiran mefariSvili, ~erovnuli sabWo~ _ 136 xma.
Sualeduri saparlamento arCvenebi: goCa SaniZe, ~nacionaluri moZraoba~ _ 651 xma, ilia kalandaZe, ~erovnuli sabWo~ _ 111, maia orjonikiZe, ~TorTlaZe _ demokratiuli partia~ _ 41 xma.vin ~daamSvena~ sanagve urnebi prezidentis plakatebiT
Jana megreliSvili
23 maisis, kviras, dilis 10 saaTisTvis, qalaq ozurgeTis centrSi, sanagve bunkerebze, saqarTvelos prezidentis mixel saakaSvilis gamosaxulebiani plakatebi iyo gakruli.
~erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ ozurgeTis raionuli organizaciis Tavmjdomaris movaleobis Semsrulebeli avTandil meqvabiSvili am faqts ase xsnis:
_ konkretuli faqtia da versad gaveqceviT _ sanagve bunkerebze iyo gakruli plakatebi. es aris vandalizmi! vinc amas akeTebs, is aris yvela saSinelebaze wamsvleli, mzad aris, miayenos Seuracxyofa yvela adamians, xelmZRvanel pirs da saarCevno subieqts. vinc es gaakeTa, aris sruliad aranormaluri da Rirsi araa, erTi xmac miiRos. me absoluturad davgmob nebismieri saarCevno subieqtis plakatis Camoxevas, cud adgilebSi gakvras, romel organizaciasac ar unda ekuTvnodes igi. upirvelesad Seuracxyofili aris is, vinc es gaakeTa. Cven ra, ar gvaqvs imisi Zala, rom msgavsi ram gavakeToT, magram morali ar gvaZlevs amis uflebas. es aris qveynis sircxvili! amis mere vin ityvis, rom Cven ar gvebrZvian? vgmob aseT garyvnilebas, visi gaxorcielebulic ar unda iyos _ opoziciisa Tu nebismieri sxva moqalaqisa.
_ saidan unda aRmoCeniliyo es plakatebi opoziciis an sxva moqalaqis xelSi?
_ teqnikurad amis gaxorcieleba Zalian advilia _ gakruli plakati SeiZleba yvelam CamoiRos da mere sxvagan miakras. axalgakruli plakati Zalian advili Camosaxsnelia, ramdenime saaTi sWirdeba gaSrobas. etyoba, viRac daudarajda, dainaxa da mere eg binZuri TamaSi gaiTamaSa. am xalxis adgili nagavTan axlosaa _ ase dawereT gazeTSi. Cven arasdros ar mogvafiqrdeba msgavsi ram gavakeToT, me mecodeba es adamianebi _ aseTi meTodebiT veravin mova xelisuflebaSi. rogor miscemen am adamianebs xmas?!
es aris sruliad mizanmimarTulad gakeTebuli. amas Cven verafers ver movuxerebT _ yvela plakatTan dacvas ver davayenebT, Tumca Cven isev gavakravT Cvens saagitacio masalas, am faqtiT ki veravin verafers Secvlis. piriqiT, vinc es gaakeTa, Tavisi Tavi gaifuWa.
respublikuri partiis ozurgeTis raionuli organizaciis Tavmjdomare marina sungulia:
_ saerTod, plakatebis Seuracxyofa miuRebeli da dabali kulturis maCvenebelia. CemTvis, mxolod politikosisTvis ki ara, rogorc moqalaqisTvis, plakatebis daxeva da ganadgureba dasagmobia.
kargad vici, rom winasaarCevno periodSi specialuri jgufebi hyavdaT nacionalebs mimagrebuli plakatebis Camosaxevad. Cven viyaviT momswre, bambukze damagrebuli kbilebiani safxekiT rogor xevdnen plakatebs. bavSvebma maSin aRiares kidec, rom nacionalebis davalebas asrulebdnen. ase rom, maTTvis plakatebis Seuracxyofa ar aris axali xili. sxvaTa Soris, diliT, nagavs roca vyridi, sakuTari TvaliTac vnaxe bunkeris garSemo gakruli prezidentis suraTebi. wina RamiT axalgazrda nacionalebi anaxlebdnen plakatebs. mezoblebma miTxres, arasrulwlovnebic axldneno. Cemi azriT, sadac naxes brtyeli adgili, iq miakres.
vfiqrob, tragikomikuri faqtia. qveyanaSi ar unda arsebobdes iseTi Zala, romelsac qveynis prezidentis plakatis sanagve yuTze gakvra moundeba. ra Tqma unda, es dafiqrebad Rirs TviT mmarTveli partiisTvis. piradad me, am faqts vgmob, radgan protestis sxva uamravi civilizebuli forma arsebobs.gamgeoba sakuTar TanamSromels avtomanqanis movla-SenaxvisTvis fuls uxdis
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25 maisis monacemebiT, Coxatauris municipalitetis balansze 3 avtomobili iricxeba _ ~vaz 21213~, sawyisi RirebulebiT 7 280 lari, romliTac gamgeobis TanamSromlebi sargebloben; ~mersedes benci~, sawyisi RirebulebiT 10 890 lari, romelic sargeblobaSi gamgeobis ekonomikisa da insfrastruqturis ganviTarebis samsaxuris da municipaluri qonebis marTvis samsaxuris TanamSromlebs hyavT da ~micubiSi pajero~, sawyisi RirebulebiT 22 500 lari, romliTac municipalitetis gamgeblis movaleobis Semsrulebeli gia giorgaZe sargeblobs.
maSin roca winasaarCevno kampania oficialurad daiwyo, gamgeobas xelSekrulebiT avtomanqana ~honda~ hyavda ayvanili specialurad municipalitetis sakrebulos TavmjdomarisTvis. gamgeblis movaleobis Semsruleblis, gia giorgaZis ganmartebiT, ~hondas~ mflobelTan xelSekruleba 1 maiss, mas Semdeg Sewyvites, rac xundaZe SvebulebaSi gavida da winasaarCevno kampaniaSi CaerTo, Tumca, xundaZis winasaarCevno kampania oficialurad, jer kidev 21 maiss, ozurgeTSi daiwyo, roca mixeil maWavarianma sazogadoebas Coxataureli ~nacionalebi~ warudgina.
Zalian saintereso aRmoCnda ~hondas~ mflobelis vinaoba. rogorc davadgineT, igi Coxatauris municipalitetis zedamxedvelobis samsaxuris specialists kaxa mefariSvils ekuTvnis, romelsac biujetidan xelfasis saxiT yovelTviurad 450 lars uxdian. 25 maiss, ver dagvikonkretes ra Tanxas iRebs mefariSvili avtomanqanis ganaTxovrebis sanacvlod, Tumca, SevZeliT gagverkvia, rom bolo ori wlis Sesyidvebis xelSekrulebebSi, igi rogorc indmewarme figurirebs da erT pirTan molaparakebis wesiT, gamgeobisa Tu sakrebulos oTaxebis remontiT sakmaod seriozuli Semosavali aqvs miRebuli.
_ avtomanqanis Txovebis Taobaze, mefariSvilTan xelSekruleba gauqmebulia 1 maiss, _ aRniSna CvenTan saubrisas gamgeblis movaleobis Semsrulebelma.
_ vin gaauqma?
_ gamgeobam da iman, visic iyo avtomanqana. antoni SvebulebaSi rogorc ki gavida, xelSekruleba maSinve gaauqma.
_ visia avtomanqana ~honda~?
_ kaxa mefariSvilis.
_ es is mefariSvilia, romelic zedamxedvelobis samsaxuris specialistia da romelsac TveSi 450 lars uxdiT?
_ kaxa axla dainiSna mag Tanamdebobaze da eg manqana didi xania xelSekrulebiT gvyavs ayvanili.
_ ramdeni xania, rac mefariSvili zedamxedvelobis samsaxuris specialistad daniSneT?
_ ori Tu sami Tvea.
_ TanamSromlebis mimarT iseTi guluxvebi brZandebiT, rom maTi avtomobiliT sargeblobisTvis solidur Tanxas uxdiT?
_ mere ra?
_ gamgeobis TanamSromlis garda sxvisi manqana ver naxeT?
_ magi ra is aris(?!). geubnebiT, rom am erTi Tvis ganmavlobaSi Tanxa gadaricxuli ar aris, _ gviTxra giorgaZem.
aRsaniSnavia isic, rom kaxa mefariSvili ~nacionalebis~ ofisSi Cven samuSao saaTebSi erTxel ukve davafiqsireT, maSin roca amas kanoni krZalavs. Tumca CoxataurSi rom kanoni yvelasTvis ar kanonobs, imiTac damtkicda, rom mefariSvilisTvis pasuxi aravis mouTxovia. savaraudod swored amis damsaxurebaa, rom xundaZe dResac mefariSvilis ~hondaTi~ sargeblobs. gasaTvaliswinebelia is garemoebac, rom baton antons ~hondebis~ mravalTviani Txovebis gamocdileba ukve aqvs _ Sps ~Coxatauris saavadmyofo-poliklinikis~ balansze arsebuli avtomobiliT, sruliad usasyidlod da xelSekrulebis gareSe igi manamde sargeblobda, sanam amis Sesaxeb sazogadoebas ~guria niusma~ ar miawoda informacia da sanam zevidan ar mouTiTes, ~metismeti mogdiso~.
Cven SevecadeT komentari am ukanasknelidanac migveRo, magram uSedegod _ rogorc wesi, xundaZem, Cvens satelefono zarebs ar upasuxa.~guriaSi yvelaze did korufcias hqonda adgili~
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gasuli wlis Semodgomaze, arCevnebamde arcTu didi xniT adre, saqarTvelos prezidentma ~saCuqrad~ vauCerebi daariga, romelic moqalaqes uflebas aZlevda 2007 wlidan 2012 wlamde, ojaxze 5 kuburi metri SeSa an samasale mori (mxolod, gubernatoris miwerilobiT!) daemzadebina saqarTvelos tyeebSi.
cxadia, dainteresebuli pirebisa da struqturebis mier, Sesabamisi sqemebi maSinve amoqmedda da xalxidan vauCerebma maT xelSi gadainacvles. rogorc Cveni kargad informirebuli wyaro ambobs, sqemebi, pirvel rigSi, Zalovani struqturebidan imarTeboda da biznessac maRalCinosani policielebi flobdnen. umweo ojaxebs, romlebsac SeSis SeZenis da gadamwvari saxl-karis aRdgenis Zala damoukideblad ar SeswevdaT, cxadia, arc saxelmwifo tyeebSi wasvla, manqanis, muSaxelis daqiraveba SeeZloT da 10-15 larad Tmobdnen vauCers. wyaros cnobiT, xe-tye iWreboda da samwuxarod, yvelaze didi zarali baxmaros tyeebs miadgaT. es yvelaferi gasuli wlis 13 noembramde grZeldeboda. 13 noembridan ki, moWrili xe-tye saxerxebze awyvia, romlebic garemos dacvis sagamoZiebo departamentis Tavmjdomaris, koba gogiberiZis brZanebiT dailuqa. wyaro, romelic am biznesSia CarTuli ambobs, rom sagamoZiebo departamentma, mas Semdeg, rac saxerxis mflobelebisgan fulis aReba ver moaxerxa, satyeo departamentis TanamSromlebze gadainacvla da reinjerebis pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi daayena. daudasturebeli informaciiT, gurul reinjerebs biujetis sasargeblod, naxevari milioni laris Setanas avaleben. eWvs aZlierebs isic, rom reinjerebis mier biujetis Sevsebis es xerxebi Cveni xelisuflebisTvis axali rodia: gasul wlebSi, sakmaod soliduri Tanxa swored amgvarad Sevida biujetSi. iyo SemTxveva, roca Coxatauris satyeo sammarTvelos ufrosi Tanamdebobaze daniSvnidan mesame dRes daakaves da biujetis sasargeblod 40 000 laric gadaaxdevines. nugzar ramiSvili, badri gorgasliZe, amiran melua, murad jinWaraZe, Tengiz cincaZe _ es is adamianebi arian, romlebic mimdinare wlis dasawyisSi saCuqrad darigebuli ~vauCerebis~ wyalobiT aRmoCndnen gisosebs miRma. yvela maTgani Coxatauris satyeo sammarTvelos TanamSromlebi iyvnen. oficialuri informaciiT, isini garemos dacvis sagamoZiebo departamentma daakava, Tumca, Cveni wyaros cnobiT, dakavebebis ~Tavi~ prokuraturaSi unda veZioT, radgan sazogadoebaSi didi xania zurab adeiSvilis da vano merabiSvilis dapirispirebaze saubroben. amboben, rom isini karga xania erT mindorze ar TamaSoben da amitomacaa, rom bolo xanebSi merabiSvilis kadrebs adeiSvilis uwyebis warmomadgenlebi ar swyaloben. jer iyo da gorSi, Ss ministris marjvena xelis, daviT tyeSelaSvilis kadrebi moxsnes, mere ki, isev merabiSvilis mfarvelobis qveS myofi goga xaCiZis uwyebas daerivnen. gasaTvaliswinebelia isic, rom prokuratura saproceso SeTanxmebas ar daTanxmda da yvela dakavebuls patimroba Seufarda.
_ msgavsi faqtebi moxSirda da es imiTac aris ganpirobebuli, rom xelfasebi aris dabali. vmuSaobT imaze, rom misi gazrda etapobrivad moxdes, Tumca es aravis aZlevs korufciul garigebebSi monawileobis uflebas, _ aseTi ganmarteba gaakeTa garemosa da bunebrivi resursebis dacvis ministrma, goga xaCiZem misi uwyebis aTeulobiT TanamSromlis dakavebis Semdeg.
miuxedavad imisa, rom bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi xaCiZis uwyeba is uiSviaTesi SemTxveva aRmoCnda, sadac korufciuli Tu sxva garigebebis Sedegad aTeulobiT adamiani daakaves, ministrma Tanamdebobis SenarCuneba mainc moaxerxa. amboben, rom merabiSvilis gavleniT. Tumca, es veraferi SeRavaTia im adamianebisTvis, romlebic ukve meSvide Tvea amaod elodebian saxerxebidan mamasisxlad SeZenili masalis wamoRebis nebarTvas. es sakiTxi erT-erTma zemofarcxmelma axalgazrdam, winasaarCevnod, ~problemebis gasagebad~ Camosul vaxtang balavaZesac dausva, razec ~SvebulebaSi gasulma~ CitaiSvilma iqve gasca pasuxi:
_ Tuki yvela sabuTi wesrigSi gaqvT, SegiZliaT gamoitanoTo. xels aravin SegiSliT da arc aravin dagsjiT, _ aseTi iyo arCevnebamde 20 dRiT adre CitaiSvilis pasuxi, romelic 1 Tvis win ambobda, rom gamoZiebis damTavrebamde saxerxebidan masalas veravin gaitanda.
ver getyviT, es winasaarCevno xumroba iyo Tu sxva ram, magram rogorc gavarkvieT, saqme isev Ziebis procesSia da arc mowesrigebuli sabuTiT da arc sxva gziT saxerxebidan masalis gamotana ar xdeba.
garemosa da bunebrivis resursebis dacvis ministri, goga xaCiZe ~guria niusTan~ saubrisas ambobs, rom guriaSi yvelaze did korufciul garigebas hqonda adgili da saxerxebis gaxsnis TariRi misTvis ucnobia.
_ batono goga, prezidentis mier e.w. ~saCuqari~ _ 5 kbm-iani vauCerebi gaxda Tqveni aTobiT TanamSromlis dakavebis mizezi da swored am vauCerebma datova uamravi adamiani SeSis da samasale moris gareSe...
_ es imitom, rom kanondarRveviT iyo yvelaferi gakeTebuli.
_ mosaxleobas yvelanairi dokumentacia wesrigSi aqvs. ratom moxda, rom ramdenime adamianis danaSaulis gamo, asobiT adamiani daisaja?
_ tyuila aravin dasjila. darRvevebia bevri.
_ Cven vnaxeT is dokumentebi, romlebic mosaxleobas gaaCnia da iq araferia kanonis sawinaaRmdego...
_ mec vnaxe es dokumentebi da vici, rom viRacam fulis sakeTeblad gamoiyena.
_ da is ~viRaca~ dRes Tavisufalia, cixeSi ki mxolod ~lifsitebi~ aRmoCndnen...
_ Cven daviWireT vinme? garemos dacvis saministrom? _ gaikvirva xaCiZem .
_ garemos dacvis sagamoZiebo departamentma...
_ amitom unda mimarToT sagamoZiebo departaments.
_ ukve mivmarTeT da maTgan pasuxi ver miviReT, Tumca Tqven xom am saministros xelmZRvaneli xarT?!... vfiqrobT, am kiTxvebze kompetenturi pasuxis gacema unda SegeZloT...
_ isini prokuraturis warmomadgenlebi arian, _ aRniSna ministrma da saubris gagrZeleba aRar isurva.
Cven vecadeT valeri CitaiSvilTanac gadagvemowmebina, ris da vis xarjze uTxra mosaxleobas, rom dokumentaciis arsebobis SemTxvevaSi, saxerxebidan masalas gamoitandnen, Tumca uSedegod _ ~SvebulebaSi gasul~ gubernators ramdenjerme davurekeT, magram saarCevno SexvedrebiT dakavebulma, CvenTan sasaubrod ver moicala!~nacionalebi ki ara, stalini rom gacocxldes, igi ver momixsnis pensias~
Sorena Rlonti
redaqciaSi Semosuli Setyobinebis safuZvelze ~guria niusi~ Coxatauris municipalitetis sofel zemo surebSi avida. miRebuli informaciis Tanaxmad, zemo surebSi nacionaluri moZraobis mxardamWerebi pensionerebsa da siRaribis zRvars miRma myof ojaxebis wevrebze zewolas axdendnen da aiZulebdnen mxari mmarTveli partiisTvis daeWiraT, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi ki _ socialuri daxmarebis moxsniT daemuqrnen.
siRaribis zRvars qvemoT myofi, 81 wlis pensioneri T. b. ambobs, rom masTan misi Tanasofleli mivida da piradobis mowmoba mosTxova, aqve uTxra, rom Tu mxars nacionalur moZraobas ar dauWerda, socialuri daxmarebis moexsneboda.
_ avadmyofi SviliSvili da SvilTaSvili myavs, TveSi 40 laris wamali unda bavSvs. socialur daxmarebas viRebT mxolod da amis imedad varT mTeli ojaxi. tyuils reiza vityvi, rac geigona Cemma yurebma, imas mogiyvebiT. aTi dRis win movida Cemi mezobeli da Cems SviliSvils uTxra, 25 maneTs, rom iReb, magas mogixsnieno. racxa qaRaldi meitana da ra ewera Sig, me ra vici? arc mimiqcevia didi yuradReba, ar var mTlad uazro, mara ar mainteresebda misi saubari. Sen rafer ggonia, Senc mase dagemarTeba, pensias mogixsniano miTxra.
_ ratom mogixsniano, ra giTxraT?
_ qaRaldze moawere xeli da Seni pasporti moitane, nomeri momecio. igic ki miTxra, mgoni, ar xar siaSio. me vuTxari Tu ar var, ar vyofilvar, albaT, saWiro da arc vaZlev magaT xmas-meTqi. CemTan saxlSi moaqven ramdeni xania biuleteni, axla ki ara, 10 weliwadia ukve. Cemi SviliSvilis colsac ise uTxra, rogorc me. ar vici, opoziciaa, nacionalisti, Tu racxa ubedureba, iareboda sofel-sofel.
_ nacionaluri moZraobidan iyo Tu sxva romelime opoziciuri partiidan?
_ ar vici zustad, axalgazrdebma ician ufro. magram is vici, rom nacionalebi ki ara, stalini rom gacocxldes igi ver momixsnis pensias.
_ qalbatonma giTxraT, visi davalebiT an iniciativiT movida TqvenTan?
_ mosuli iyo xalxi, ras hqvia ar daavala, gamxaden iZulebulio, miTxra.
_ Tqvenma rZalma Caawerina piradobis mowmobis nomeri?
_ ar vici, Svilo, guli ise momivida, rom gamovedi gareT.
_ ram gaganawyenaT?
_ amfers rom laparakobda igi, ginda Tu ara, aucilebeliao. vuTxari, Cemda araa aucilebeli-meTqi, gavaRe karebi da gavedi gareT. yviroda, xmadabla ki ar laparakobda, gaxde unda amis wevrio, damavales, xvale amovlen raionidano, saxelebic ki CamoTvala.
_ gaxsovT, vin CamogiTvalaT?
_ ara, eg ar maxsovs.
_ wina arCevnebze iyvnen mosulebi?
_ arCevnebze sul iarebian. bevri fuli daariges aqiT-aqiT. Cemi abdali SviliSvilic weiyvanen, muatyuen da mere 40 lari aCuqes.
_ rodis da vin aCuqa?
_ wina arCevnebze misces, ase miTxra, magas ras vifiqrebdi Tu momatyuebdneno.
_ ras gulisxmobT tyuilSi. meti Tanxa dapirdnen da ar misces?
_ me ase miTxra, rom moatyues.
am faqts uaryofs meore mxare da ambobs, rom absurdia mis mimarT gamoTqmuli braldeba (qalbatonis gvars Segnebulad ar vasaxelebT).
_ qalbatono manana, gvaqvs informacia, rom Tqven xelmowerebs agrovebdiT nacionaluri moZraobis mxardasaWerad.
_ ara. me nacionalebis Stabis wevri var.
_ me vnaxe konkretuli adamiani, vinc ambobs, rom Tqven masTan mixvediT da piradobis mowmoba moTxoveT, aseve daemuqreT Tu xels ar mogiwerdaT, daxmareba moexsneboda...
_ araferi ar miTqvia magdagvari. eg aris cru informacia. viRacam raRaca dapirda. roca amaze adamianebi saubroben, upirispirdebian erTmaneTs. ZaldatanebiT aravisTan ar mivsulvar. vinc aris nacionalebis mxardamWeri am sofelSi, mxolod maTTan mivedi, msgavsi araferi miTqvams. movides TqvenTan erTad is, vinc eg giTxraT da gaimeoros, rom Zala davatane vinmes. Tqvenc Zalian kargad mogexsenebaT, nebismieri Stabis warmomadgeneli iTxovs igives. Tu ki aris momxre, me dasturis niSnad piradobis mowmobis nomers viwer da ucnauri araferi gamikeTebia. ase ZaliT xelmowerili mowerilad rCeba, Tavis azrs mainc iq yuTTan gamoxatavs nebismieri amomrCeveli. pirvelad ara var StabSi da pirvelad ar vmonawileob winasaarCevno procesebSi, vici, rasac vakeTeb. ar mivdivar iseT adamianebTan, romlebsac ar aqvT survili ama Tu im partias mxari dauWiron. 26 welia skolaSi vmuSaob, maswavlebeli var da vici, risi ufleba maqvs da risi ara.
_ Cven gviTxres, rom Tqven mixvediT adamianebTan da socialuri daxmarebis da pensiebis moxsniT daemuqreT.
_ ara. me agenti var? visTanac viyavi is ojaxebi magas namdvilad ar ityoda. getyviT, visTanac viyavi. Cems mezoblebSi da naTesavebTan viyavi.
_ es xelmowerebi risTvis gWirdebaT?
_ opoziciac, nebismieri, partiac xom agrovebs mxardamWerTa monacemebs. winaswari SedegebisTvis, vis ramdeni mxardamWeri hyavs. opoziciis mxardamWerebTan ar mivsulvar.
_ isic gviTxres, rom sofelSi amosulebi iyvnen adgilobrivi xelisuflebidan da Tqvenc xom ar SexvedrixarT?
_ me nacionalebis Stabis wevri var, roca mova raionidan vinme, vxvdebi mas.
_ rodis iyvnen amosulebi?
_ ar vici zustad TariRi..
_ ozurgeTidan iyvnen?
_ gubernatoris moadgile da ori axalgazrda biWi iyo ori, saxeli da gvari ar maxsovs. zustad maSin iyo, Stabis wevrebi SevikribeT da ubralod informacia gvaintersebda, ramdenia momxre, me imis madlobeli var, rom simarTlis gasarkvevad moxvediT.
_ gubernatoris moadgilem ra Sexvedra gamarTa?
_ araferi, Stabis wevrebs Segvxvda. Savi jipiT iyvnen amosulebi. zustad mag dRes iyo komisiis wevrebis arCeva, opoziciac iyo da poziciac, 26 aprili iyo. rom icodeT, me arc erTi partiis wevri ar var, Stabis wevri var. savsebiT bunebrivia warmomadgeneli Stabis wevrebTan rom marTavs Sexvedras.
_ warmomadgenelSi gubernatoris moadgiles gulisxmobT?
_ gubernatoris moadgile iqneba Tu nebismieri, ar aqvs mniSvneloba, Stabs vinc xelmZRvanelobs, is movida albaT, is iyo Stabis xelmZRvaneli. ori biWi axlda ozurgeTidan centraluri Stabis warmomadgenlebi.
P.S. zemosurebSi, Cveni TvalTaxedviT, sagangaSo socialuri da yofiTi pirobebia. vrcel masalas guriis am maRalmTiani soflis sadReiso problemebis Sesaxeb uaxloes periodSi SemogTavazebT.saSiSi da iSviaTi virusiT 6 wlis bavSvi gardaicvala
marine CixlaZe
axlaxan, ozurgeTSi, gavrcelda xma, amave municipalitetSi, mcirewlovani bavSvis gardacvalebis Sesaxeb. wyaros TqmiT, igi iSviaTi virusiT daiRupa da gardacvalebac amitom gasaidumlovda. imis Sesaxeb, Tu ramdenad Seesabameboda sinamdviles aRniSnuli faqti, Cven mivmarTeT ozurgeTis municipalitetis sazogadoebrivi jandacvis xelmZRvanels arCil mJavias:
_batono arCil, Tu Seesabameba sinamdviles bavSvis gardacvalebis ambavi da rodis moxda es?
_ diax, es marTalia _ 10 maiss, sofel meriaSi, Txinvalis gadasaxvevTan mdebare ~gorodokad~ wodebuli dasaxlebidan miviReT informacia, rom 6 wlis bavSvis dasaxmareblad saswrafo daxmarebis manqana gamoiZaxes, adgilze misulT ki pacienti gardacvlili daxvdaT. igi vaJia, Tumca, mis vinaobas ver dagisaxelebT. bavSvi diliT gausinjavT, hqonia maRali temperatura. igi Tavis das wauyvania soflis samedicino ambulatoriaSi. iq daesva diagnozi _ filtvebis ormxrivi pnevmonia. iqve daeniSna pnevmoniis sawinaaRmdego antibiotiki. Sin isev dam waiyvana. roca deidam gaukeTa nemsi, bavSvi sam wuTSi gardaicvala.
_ gardacvlil bavSvs Tu Cautarda gamokvleva?
_ gvami policiis meSveobiT, quTaisis saeqsperto biuroSi gadaasvenes, sadac winaswarma paTanatomiurma gamokvlevebma aCvena sisxlCaqcevebi filtvebsa da TirkmelSi.
_ ra dadginda?
_ aRniSnul SemTxvevasTan dakavSirebiT, gripi gamoiricxa. daavadebaTa kontrolisa da sazogadoebrivi janmrTelobis erovnuli centris warmomadgenlebTan erTad, Catarda keraSi epidemiuri kvleva, aRebuli iqna laboratoriuli kvlevisTvis analizebi. winaswari monacemebiT aRmoCnda e. w. hemoragiuli cxeleba _ infeqciuri daavadeba, romlis ZiriTadi gamomwvevi aris mRrRnelebi, tkipebi...
_ es marTlac iSviaTi daavadebaa? Tu yofila saqarTveloSi, guriaSi analogiuri daavadebiT sikvdilis SemTxveva?
_ es infeqcia iSviaT daavadebaTa ricxvSi Sedis. guriaSi aseTi SemTxveva wlebis manZilze ar dafiqsirebula.
_ e. i. marTlac yofila aJiotaJis mizezi, rom guriaSi Tagvis virusiT bavSvi gardaicvala. ojaxis wevrebs an mezoblebs xom ar aRmoaCndaT igive daavadeba?
_ winaswari monacemebiT, sam pirovnebas aRmoaCnda e. w. hemoragiuli cxelebis gamomwvevi antisxeulebi. am pirovnebebze ganmeorebiT aiRes sinjebi, agreTve imave saxlis mcxovreblebzec aiRes sinjebi. mimdinareobs kvleva.
_ ra aris am saSiSi daavadebis gamomwvevi mizezi?
_ daavadebis gamomwvevi mizezi aris antisanitaria, piradi higienis daucveloba. Cvens xalxs sisufTave ar eswavleba, magram rogorc xedavT, msgavsi faqti mainc moxda. amitom, yvela mudmivad frTxilad unda iyos da mkacrad daicvas piradi Tu sazogado higienis wesebi.lanCxuTSi gogonebs Soris safexburTo turniri gaimarTeba
(guria niusi, lanCxuTi) _ saqarTvelos damoukideblobis aRdgenis dResTan dakavSirebiT, qalaq qobuleTSi gogonaTa Soris safexburTo turniri gaimarTa, romelSic monawileobas lanCxuTis ~guriac~ iRebda. Cveneburebma amjeradac warmatebiT iasparezes da mesame saprizo adgili daikaves.
_ Cveni gogonebi turnirze yvelaze patarebi iyvnen. rodesac qobuleTSi CavediT, gviTxres, movida bavSvTa bagao. Cvens gogonebze asakiT bevrad didi bavSvebi TamaSobdnen. quTaiselebi gveubnebodnen, rom advilad dagamarcxebTo, magram Cvenma bavSvebma bolomde ibrZoles da quTaTurebi kidev erTxel datoves damarcxebulis rangSi. Cveni gamosvla Zalian moewonaT da samaxsovro prizebi gadmogvces, _ gviTxra gundis mwvrTnelma, avTandil ormocaZem.
turniris bolo matCi ~guriam~ quTaisel TanatolebTan gamarTa da minimaluri angariSiT 1:0 gaimarjva. ana kvaWaZis mier gatanilma golma Cveneburebs saprizo adgili moutana, xolo golis avtors specialuri prizi, romelic saukeTeso golis gatanisTvis gadaeca. turniris saukeTeso naxevarmcvelad Cveneburi, Tamuna TavdiSvili daasaxeles.
~guriam~ Semdegi SemadgenlobiT iaspareza: ana romanCuki, nana xiStovani, Tamuna TavdiSvili, ekaterine kalandariSvili, ana kvaWaZe, salome kalandariSvili, salome CiburdaniZe, marita qurasbediani, mariam gogeSvili, guguli deviZe, TaTia kostava.
qobuleTidan dabrunebul ~gurias~ moburTalebs nigoiTSi sazeimo daxvedra mouwyves. soflis centrSi sakmaod bevri adamiani Seikriba da ~gurias~ warmateba miuloces.
_ 10 ivniss lanCxuTSi dagegmilia imedo dunduas saxelobis turniris gamarTva, romelSic monawileobas 10-mde municipalitetis gogonaTa gundi miiRebs. turniri maRal doneze iqneba organizebuli da daxmarebas lanCxuTis municipalitetis xelmZRvaneloba gauwevs, _ ambobs avTandil ormocaZe.